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2014/02/18 16:52:32 (permalink)

Kontakt Workflow

For those interested, Impact Soundworks has posted an article
entitled "Optimizing Your Kontakt Workflow"...in 2 parts...

http://impactsoundworks.c...ntakt-workflow-part-1/

http://impactsoundworks.com/optimizing-your-kontakt-workflow-part-2/

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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/18 17:15:48 (permalink)
Hey, thanks for that link. I thought the articles were good.

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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/18 18:27:16 (permalink)
Good stuff Larry, thanks

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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/18 19:01:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/02/18 19:38:47
Excellent article. I hope they expand on it - you could write a book on the subject!
 
There is a fourth option they didn't mention for extending CPU and RAM limitations, and that's using a separate computer to host Kontact as a standalone program. If you have another computer handy, perhaps an old one that's not powerful enough for DAW duties, it can be given new purpose as a virtual instrument host.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/19 08:15:30 (permalink)
I agree, Kontakt is a major major player...easily do a book on all of it Dave...

Seeing as that ST 3 is trying to sell at the "same" price...they better be up to the task...

At least Kontakt DOES have a FREE Player....



post edited by cclarry - 2014/02/19 08:46:38


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/19 08:33:01 (permalink)
Thanks Larry, a very useful link. Also, it's good to see they're adding more parts to this.....

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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/19 10:12:10 (permalink)
cclarry

At least Kontakt DOES have a FREE Player....


 
It was pretty obvious from start that ST3 don't gonna have a free player.
They sent out a ****load of XPansions in the latest "GroupBuy" just to increase their customer base that want a 64 bit version later on. But they need to pay for it so their sales is secured.
You will not see a free one this year at least. Not next either I suppose...
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/19 11:54:58 (permalink)
There is a fourth option they didn't mention for extending CPU and RAM limitations, and that's using a separate computer to host Kontact as a standalone program. If you have another computer handy, perhaps an old one that's not powerful enough for DAW duties, it can be given new purpose as a virtual instrument host.
 
Hi Bit
I do exactly that for my old Sampletank stuff, which did not like running too well on my new 64 bit set up - I kept my old 32 bit machine, which was still OK, put SampleTank on it (and a couple other 32 bit synths etc) used Vienna Pro - now I have a nice little network utilizing both 32 bit and 64 bit programs on my 64 bit DAW machine - works like a dream
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/19 12:01:00 (permalink)
Dave,
 
It seemed to me that part deux "alomst" covered that "standalone hots" concept.
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/19 12:35:32 (permalink)
cclarryI agree, Kontakt is a major major player...easily do a book on all of it Dave...

Seeing as that ST 3 is trying to sell at the "same" price...they better be up to the task...

At least Kontakt DOES have a FREE Player....

 
I haven't seen anything from IK that makes me think they're even attempting to position ST3 as being in KONTAKT's league. I don't suspect they're trying to compete feature for feature with KONTAKT, but are more interested in staying a simple load and play ROMpler that is more like hardware/synth workstations than modern samplers. For all of NI's flaws, KONTAKT is still the best sampler on the market in my book. It's updated frequently enough (imo), allows for complex scripting (that makes a giant difference in today's libraries) and it doesn't require iLOK.
post edited by edrummist - 2014/02/19 13:59:32
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/19 15:53:03 (permalink)
Good reading thanks Larry.


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/19 22:45:05 (permalink)
cclarry - thanks, these are both quick and good reads.  Helpful!  

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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/20 06:46:40 (permalink)
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cclarryI agree, Kontakt is a major major player...easily do a book on all of it Dave...

Seeing as that ST 3 is trying to sell at the "same" price...they better be up to the task...

At least Kontakt DOES have a FREE Player....

 
I haven't seen anything from IK that makes me think they're even attempting to position ST3 as being in KONTAKT's league. I don't suspect they're trying to compete feature for feature with KONTAKT, but are more interested in staying a simple load and play ROMpler that is more like hardware/synth workstations than modern samplers. For all of NI's flaws, KONTAKT is still the best sampler on the market in my book. It's updated frequently enough (imo), allows for complex scripting (that makes a giant difference in today's libraries) and it doesn't require iLOK.


Remember when Kontakt was a minor player, an also-ran in a market dominated by Gigastudio? Fortunes can change fast in the software world. SampleTank's weakness has been its closed format, while Kontakt's native format was standard wave files and it could load any file format known to man. Now, Kontakt's all about closed file formats and libraries that have zero backward compatibility. NI's riding high now, but who knows if their dominance will last?
 
Admittedly, I don't see any contenders on the horizon - yet. But there are a couple that could be Kontakt-killers if they played their cards right, starting with ditching their frickin' dongles.


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/20 08:06:52 (permalink)
Yep...I remember....GigaStudio taking a nosedive helped Kontakt alot...

There are indeed some contenders out there who, if they played their cards right
could "deseat" the champ.  Only time will tell...




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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/20 08:35:25 (permalink)
It's hard to look at Kontakt and not want it. Once you've got that sort of draw you're on to a winner.

A bit of research and you know it will be 50% cheaper at least twice a year. Plus, you can resell it for the same price you bought it if you ever upgrade to Komplete or whatever.

It's win win and win some more!
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/20 08:44:28 (permalink)
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Excellent article. I hope they expand on it - you could write a book on the subject!
 
There is a fourth option they didn't mention for extending CPU and RAM limitations, and that's using a separate computer to host Kontact as a standalone program. If you have another computer handy, perhaps an old one that's not powerful enough for DAW duties, it can be given new purpose as a virtual instrument host.
 
 
 
 
 
 


What would be the best way to set this up? Would USB connections between computers suffice, or would there have to be a more complex way to do it?
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/20 10:00:27 (permalink)
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I have my network connected as a normal Ethernet network, then use the Vienna Pro to allow whatever programs that are on the Slave computers (in my case all 32 bit machines XP) to be used as a normal Vsti on  my main machine - I originally set this up to help with 32 bit limitations and general CPU concerns, but now mainly use it to help 32 bit programs work seamlessly in my windows 7 64 bit Main DAW machine.
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/20 10:53:02 (permalink)
Thanks for the info, Nigel. Both of my computers are the same as yours. I'm thinking about using my internet computer as the slave, it's already on my home network. I'll have to look into Vienna Pro. Now if I can just find the time.......
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/20 16:10:02 (permalink)
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Admittedly, I don't see any contenders on the horizon - yet. But there are a couple that could be Kontakt-killers if they played their cards right, starting with ditching their frickin' dongles.



I think Halion 5 could be a contender, at least technology-wise, if Steinberg would lose the dongle.  I don't have first hand experience with Mach 5, but it's my understanding that is as good if not superior to Kontakt.  Once again, the dongle keeps a large population of candidate buyers away.  So, yeah, there's two coulda-beens but for dongles.
 
It's probably dangerous to even suggest it here, but ST 3 might be that condender.  No dongle, and presumably a registration/activation procdure that's no more onerous than NI's.
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/21 17:13:39 (permalink)
I would think most developers would be wary to develop anything for IK given their track record of infrequent updates to straight up flirting with abandon ware. Not many developers outside of sonic reality have created much for sample tank, probably for good reason. NI, to it's credit, have continually supported and improved Kontakt. Time will tell.
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/22 06:45:31 (permalink)
GREAT find!  Thanks a heap... looks like I've got some file restructuring to do but it'll be worth it.  Kontakt has always been so cool yet challenging for me.  This helps a lot!
 
A bit off topic, but I really don't understand the dongle hate... when I upgraded my machine, all my ew and antares stuff migrated without a hitch whereas I spent a few evenings reauthorizing everything else...
 
While ilok was troublesome in the past, their new software system is slick and works painlessly.  And it DOES protect developers... which enables wave files rather than locked up special file formats.  I wish Heavyocity were dongled and used waves instead of whatever they use as I'd love to be able to access them directly, as one can do in Hybrid Alpha.
 
We may all buy stuff legit but there are many out there that don't...
 
While I use to hate the clugy troublesome ilok software, they have improved it and my dongle is just fine these days.
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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/22 16:49:58 (permalink)


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/22 16:54:32 (permalink)
Bit,
 
I was one of the "iLok" lucky ones when this hit...I had no problems...knock on wood...LOL
 
Mine has been spot on...a brief "problem" using a 64 bit browser a while back, but if 
you used a 32 bit version it worked just fine...so, I really have no complaints...
I've never had a problem with my eLicenser for Cubase...not a hitch at all...
I actually have an extra one I got for free with one of my upgrades...


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/23 23:20:04 (permalink)
Hey, Bit... I use to rant and fume about ilok.  The software was clugy and plain sucked. Also, the cited issues were early 2013 and lasted a week.  Recently I upgraded to the latest 64 bit EVO and all the antarese plugs were activated in a few seconds... it's now drag and drop and totally cool.  Was it disgusting before?  yea.  But now it's pretty slick and painless.
 
Imagine everyone complaining helped change things.   

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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/23 23:28:12 (permalink)
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Hey, Bit... I use to rant and fume about ilok.  The software was clugy and plain sucked. Also, the cited issues were early 2013 and lasted a week.  Recently I upgraded to the latest 64 bit EVO and all the antarese plugs were activated in a few seconds... it's now drag and drop and totally cool.  Was it disgusting before?  yea.  But now it's pretty slick and painless.
 
Imagine everyone complaining helped change things.   



I agree Vastman...it used to be "cumbersome" to say the least.  I was fortunate
enough not to have any real issues all the time I've owned an iLok...I owned both
1 and 2.  When I sold PT 9 I transferred all my licenses to the 2 and left PT on the 1.
It was painless and easy...

My eLicenser has also been painless...I fully appreciate the "protect the property" these 
companies impose.  

But I know that MANY MANY have had LOT'S of issues with iLok.  So I assuredly understand
the "dislike" factor, especially with the "loss" factor.  The extra cost factor comes into play
as well, so I get that also...


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/24 16:12:20 (permalink)
My feelings on copy protection schemes have been expressed in the past - I despise them, and not just USB dongles. Any form of protection beyond a simple license file, any method that threatens to cripple a product that I've paid for, is undesirable.
 
It's not just music software. Here I am 8,000 miles from home and only after I got here discovered that I couldn't recompile a critical executable because a plugin insisted that I didn't have a license. A plugin that I bought 20 years ago, from a company that no longer exists. I had to set up a remote connection to my desktop back home in order to run the compile.


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/02/24 16:35:08 (permalink)
I agree Bit...unfortunately, due to the dishonesty of the few...
the many have to suffer...very sad, but it's the way of the world.
Honest people don't need laws...they do what's right, whether
or not there is a law.  


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Re: Kontakt Workflow 2014/03/02 00:27:07 (permalink)
Thanks Larry! Good timing.
 
Just what I needed as I'm really getting into working with Kontakt 4/5.



 
 
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