Kontakt - full version

How about this Daryl, there are demos to try to, also there are Les Paul and Strat versions too.

http://www.musiclab.com/products/realgtr_info.htm

Its seems to be very highly thought of .

HTH

Cheers Stinga, Mesh - I will check both of these out

Yep, crossgrade is a good way to go. So are older versions, which a lot of people still have. Secondhand is not a bad way too. And sale time is usually July as they tend to do major releases in September.

Bit

Don't worry about lack of support from NI, it's nonexistent anyway.

Very succinct and very accurate!!!!!
Nigel

You can upgrade, bit. It's treated like you bought it. No restrictions.

You know there are people who upgraded to Komplete when there have been sales and they must have singles like Kontakt. What are they saving them for? Sell them you strange people.

I'd be willing to sell my version of Kontakt 4? I have the full version with box and DVD's. What are are you looking to spend for it?

You can upgrade, bit. It's treated like you bought it. No restrictions.

Yes, I believe you are right about that. 

Well here is the propoganda, sorry helpful FAQ
http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/kontakt-5/?page=2523

I don't think its a valueless upgrade, but its of little value and potentially problematic to me.

For me there are a few annoying things about Kontakt 5. The first is only Windows 7 is supported. It understandable that XP support is being dropped but I would have hoped for a bit more time before dropping Vista. Having said that it does seem to work OK on Vista and XP for most people, and I have the Kontakt 5 player working fine. However I am very reluctant to buy software that is officially not supported on my OS. I am reluctant to upgrade to W7 until replace my DAW.
 
I can understand why new instruments, like Studio Drummer  and George Duke are K5 only. They use the new features, like the MIDI file support for grooves and the Time machine, but why can't you buy K4 versions of the older libraries that worked fine in K4. Yes I know they will work in the K5 player, but see my comments above about Windows 7.
 
Time machine pro does look like a impressive new feature, The demos's of "George Duke Soul Treasures" show it off, BUT it's one I am unlikely to need, loop based libraries don't really appeal to me.
 
Extra effects? OK , but most of the time I use VST effects in Sonar. There is new 16 channel bus system, fine if you want to use only Kontakt's built in effects.
 
I am staying on version 4 for some time yet.

bitflipper


If I use any of Kontakt's effects (other than filters), it's just for convenience. There isn't anything in there that I don't have better replacements for. And like you, I don't use loops, so time stretching means nothing to me. Plus, for the first time ever, this Kontakt update added no enhancements at all to the bundled library. They might as well have just sent me an email saying "it's time for you to send us some more money".

 
I agree completely.  if they had updated the library and added some more sounds I might have gone for the update.  but it just wasn't worth it to me.

I have Komplete 6 which includes K4 which I upgraded for free....NI sent links to upgrade it to 4.xx 

I also have the Indiginous guitar package.  And it works well and sounds OK. However, the strummer straight out of the box, so to speak, will sound stiff and unnatural. I guess you could massage it with various things to make it sound more realistic...envelopes and velocity, among others. 

For a non guitarist, I suppose it would work much better than a midi guitar patch. 

I used it on one song and really didn't like it. Just about everyone here nailed it right off the bat as sampled. I eventually deleted that track and recorded a real guitar and the difference was like day and night. 

I have a version 4 for sale!
This sounds great - Indiginus Acoustic Guitar Collection Thanks daryl

bitflipper

I see a lot of new things coming out that work much better w/Kontakt 5. Time-stretching improved greatly, new effects.

You've seen this yourself, or read it in some NI propaganda helpful FAQ? Seriously, I'd love for someone -anyone- to give me an example of what K5 did for them that K4 couldn't do (besides qualify them to buy new NI libraries). 

wanna sell your Kontakt 4 bit?

Sorry, I'm one of the luddites who refused to upgrade to K5, so K4 is what I use.

Well, you're the one that most influenced me to get Kontakt so that I could buy into the third party libraries. Personally, I have never had Kontakt [full version] before. 

Kontakt reportedly has "new high-quality filters and studio-grade effect algorithms, superior timestretching, 

vintage sampling modes and more." [Native Instruments]

I have nothing to compare K5 to, nor do I claim to be an expert about it. However I've looked at a number of 

different types of software that encourage users to use Kontakt 5 because it will give them Superior and 

capable time stretching ability. Perhaps these different software companies are lying or exaggerating. I just 

needed Kontakt to get into EEG and 8Dio products. It was simply a means to an end that had no other 

means.

Big Fish audio and 8Dio made statements about the advancement of k5 audio stretching.

Big Fish: "The KLI version of this product comes with the KLI 2.0 update and comes in both Kontakt 4 and Kontakt 5 versions. For those with the full version of Kontakt 5, take advantage of the new high quality and extremely flexible new time stretching algorithm as well as a bunch of new included FX. "

8Dio: "Kontakt 5 has a professional time-stretching feature, which gives notably better results than Kontakt 4 when it comes to host-tempo synchronization"

Again, they all may be lying about any advantages, here, and I would be naive to say otherwise. I'm just a bronze member, after all. Don't take me too seriously. I have no ego to inflaste and maintain. Let the facts stand as the truth, whatever they may be, one way or another.

I have nothing to compare K5 to, nor do I claim to be an expert about it. However I've looked at a number of different types of software that encourage users to use Kontakt 5 because it will give them Superior and capable time stretching ability. Perhaps these different software companies are lying or exaggerating. I just needed Kontakt to get into EEG and 8Dio products. It was simply a means to an end that had no other means.
Big Fish audio and 8Dio made statements about the advancement of k5 audio stretching.
Big Fish: "The KLI version of this product comes with the KLI 2.0 update and comes in both Kontakt 4 and Kontakt 5 versions. For those with the full version of Kontakt 5, take advantage of the new high quality and extremely flexible new time stretching algorithm as well as a bunch of new included FX. "
8Dio: "Kontakt 5 has a professional time-stretching feature, which gives notably better results than Kontakt 4 when it comes to host-tempo synchronization"

If the library needs time stretching that K5 will be better or even essential. so there is no lie in Big Fish or 8Dio's claims. Of the 700GB of Kontakt instruments I own none require time stretching. YMMV. If you want to use phrase based instruments and audio loops, upgrading to K5 is worthwhile.
 

bitflipper


Kreative, they aren't exaggerating or lying. It's just that the time-stretching improvements are irrelevant to most Kontakt users. GB says above that he has 700GB of Kontakt samples and none of them utilize time stretching. I'm at about half a terabyte myself, and none of my libraries need it either. Nor do any of the libraries that are on my wishlist that I can't afford yet.

What time-stretching does for you is let you take a canned loop such as a drum pattern and stretch or compress it to some tempo other than what it was originally recorded at. Kontakt has always been able to do that, but would introduce artifacts if you stretched it too much, like taking a 120 bpm loop and slowing it down to 60 bpm. The claim is that now you can do that with fewer artifacts.

I understand what you're saying, and it probably has its advantages with the Big Fish Loop libraries, in some cases. The expense of buying Komplete 8 is not likely worth having that advantage for most users, no doubt.