Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing!

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2011/04/13 19:57:41 (permalink)

Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing!

Hi all. As promised (and after repeated delays due to a number of technical and other issues), here is my full and working setup to use a Native Instruements Kore hardware unit as a full-featured control surface for Sonar X1. 

Detailed install notes are here:
http://subtlearts.com/kor...trol_install_notes.pdf

and usage notes (not really a manual) here:
http://subtlearts.com/kor...ontrol_usage_notes.pdf

the two files you'll need are linked from the Install document, or just snag them here:
http://subtlearts.com/korex1/SonarX1.nck
http://subtlearts.com/kor..X1_ACT_presets_Kore.spp

It's a bit complex to set up, since there's no native support on either side and the two interpretations of the 'Mackie Control' emulation mode are sufficiently different to make it unusable. So I've built it up from scratch using a custom template on the Kore side and a pair of custom ACT presets. I've tried to make the notes as clear as I can... but there's a lot of information, and it's late... 

I'm intrigued to know whether this will work for others, especially since I use a 1st generation Kore unit and there may be minor differences to the Kore2 unit. Hopefully it will 'just work' but of course there's a reasonable chance that it won't, in which case let me know and I'll post instructions on setting up a template that will work with my ACT presets. 

Good luck, I hope it works and helps improve your Kore / X1 experience!




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    Fog
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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/04/13 20:49:17 (permalink)
    cheers subtle.. I use a kore v2.. I haven't had time to setup with x1 or do any music of late.. as I also use a nocturn on my mobile setup (the NI thing is not something I wanna cart around / potentially damage)

    I was gonna say how about the virtual midi port on the kore ? much like on my nocturn as well. dunno if you have gone down that route.. as well you know when they updated the s/ware it gave midi CC's as well as their own standard / mackie mode. Just maybe it might work in ACT without the mackie emulation. Not had the time to attempt to mess with it, I have a BCF that I use for the mixer faders and the kore is just for vst-i's

    like many things, it's actually getting the time to sit down and go thru it.





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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/04/14 01:36:26 (permalink)
    I am using the Kore 2 controller and this seems to be working fine. Thanks again!

    The Shift-Bottom-Left button is unassigned though. You have it listed as scrolling through the Multi-Dock tabs. But as it's not assigned, it doesn't do anything.

    Also, in the Kore 1 Control Usage Notes where you talk about:
     
    button 3 cycles through the 4 pages of "rotaries"; Shift-button-2 toggles Show/Hide Bus pane.

    I think you mean Shift-button-3, correct?

    I didn't really get into the buttons and rotaries, as I really just want the transport to work, and now it does! And More! A million thanks again! Now while working with Kore 2 I can just push F1>Control and I can toggle between using the Kore 2 controller for controlling Kore 2 software and running the transport in X1. This is really great!


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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/04/14 09:07:41 (permalink)
    Hey guys, only 2 so far? I thought there were a couple of other people waiting... Still. 

    Fog - the stock Mackie implementation on the Kore unit differs sufficiently from whatever Sonar is expecting that it's basically useless, hardly anything works in any way. That's why I had to build a custom one from scratch. It uses the internal MIDI port as you say. If I had a Nocturn and a BCF I probably wouldn't bother with the Kore for control either - mind you, I do have an Alphatrack and a Contour Shuttle Express, but it's pretty simple to switch back and forth between MIDI mode and Kore mode, so I figured why not grab a few extra knobs and faders for things that don't make sense to run through Kore, or can't - like the Pro Channel. Also I like the transport buttons a bit better than the click-y ones on the Alphatrack. 

    A1 - does that mean the setup basically works as it is on a Kore2 unit? That's good news. I don't have my DAW open at the moment, I'll have to look into the things you mentioned when I fire it up later on, though I can say for sure that the cycle-through-tabs is assigned properly on my machine. It's possible that the MIDI mapping doesn't quite connect on a Kore, did you try re-linking it with the instructions at the bottom of the Usage file? 

    Anyway, glad the transport works well for you, that was the big issue for me too, though once I got started it was hard not to try to maximize the functionality on principle. I'm like that...

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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/04/14 11:32:13 (permalink)
    I'll be sure to try this out as soon as I get the chance.  Thanks for putting this together !


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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/04/14 16:49:38 (permalink)
    Hey A1, I'm back at my DAW now and having a look at the things you mentioned...
    A1MixMan
    Also, in the Kore 1 Control Usage Notes where you talk about:   
    button 3 cycles through the 4 pages of "rotaries"; Shift-button-2 toggles Show/Hide Bus pane. 

    I think you mean Shift-button-3, correct? 
    Good catch, that was a typing-at-1am error. I'll fix it and re-upload the PDF. 


    The Shift-Bottom-Left button is unassigned though. You have it listed as scrolling through the Multi-Dock tabs. But as it's not assigned, it doesn't do anything. 

    Hmmm. This one is definitely working on my system. Does that button work without the shift-key, to open and close the Multidock? If not, the MIDI assignment may not have translated to the Kore2 as I mentioned above. 

    Do you have multiple tabs open in the Multidock when you're trying this? If you only have one tab there, say the Console, then cycling through the tabs won't do anything, of course. If however it doesn't do anything when you have something else open there, like the PRV or whatever, then we have a problem. If you have a moment to check that out, I'd appreciate it!

    Again, hope it's working out for you... happy twiddling!

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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/04/14 17:54:54 (permalink)
    Hello Subtle,
     
    I read through your Docs and unfortunately, it's not the way I work. Once I will have finished my Setup und I'll share here, too.
     
    Thank you. I learned so much due to your efforts, I followed your adventure ;-)
     
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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/04/14 18:10:44 (permalink)
    Hi Tab, totally understandable - you can configure ACT to do lots of different things (though some functions are flakey and a few seem to simply not work in X1). To be honest I'm not altogether sure this setup is ideal for the way I work either, I was actually trying to create a generalized solution that might offer a good starting point for someone to customize it, with a bunch of general functions grouped in a way that made sense to me. I may also change my own setup, for example to minimize duplication of things I tend to use keybindings for. 

    I'd be interested to see what you and/or others come up with too, please do share your setup(s)! I might learn something too... 

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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/07/13 02:42:11 (permalink)
    Hi Subtle:

    I also have a Kore 1 HW controller, so I was interested in this. The major section relating to controlling Sonar X1 seem to work by- in-large: thanks! I am still unable to record the effect of the knobs on sw synths residing in a set-up, multi-timbral or otherwise. It seems to me that I did have this working fine, but that was probably back as far Sonar 7 or 8. I got a bit disoriented as I had a heart attack, coma, L-VAD implantation and subsequent heart transplant (seriously). I wonder as well if the Kore driver (I've installed the new one 3.0.0.0.0.0.0 etc. infinitum ad nauseum) should be rolled back. There's got to be a simple way to record these things, but I know from the manual that the knobs do not put out MIDI data- right? I wish I could remember what I did before.


    Any help would be appreciated. And thanks for your work and sharing here.



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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/07/13 16:15:15 (permalink)
    I hate replying to my own message, but here goes: I figured it out. And I think I found a (possible) bug and an inconsistency.

    First the (possible) bug: when one hits the Write (W) button in console view to enable recording of automation (in this case the knobs on the Kore HW), nothing happens. I don't know how many time I attempted this last night, even when I was awake.

    Second, the inconsistency/lack of documentation: the Write button works great in the Synth Rack, but unless one maximizes the Synth Rack view, one is not likely to know it exists. 


    I hope this helps someone, somewhere, er, ah sometime....


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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/07/14 09:01:42 (permalink)
    Holy smokes Outland, that's quite a story - you've been through the proverbial wringer, it's amazing that you're back to music - I bet your perspective on what is worth doing and spending time on has shifted a bit! (these things tend to do that, not that I've ever been through anything so extreme)

    Anyway. I have been in transit but I've got my little mobile rig which includes the Kore unit here and I'll have a look at the MIDI implementation, it seems to me I had a working setup at one point but I don't use it so much like that, I tend to host things in Kore and use the native automation. 

    You're right that it doesn't record automation from the console write button, I don't think it works from the track view button either. I've been using the button in the actual Kore edit window, at upper right, that one seems to work, at least for me. I didn't know about the synth rack one as I've been using it in docked-browser mode but I do sometimes also dock the rack, and thus the whole browser, in the Multi-Dock - of course if you like to use the rack control knobs at all, that's kind of the only way to do it, or float it I guess, not my speed - I actually like this docking business, though I realize some don't. 

    So I'll investigate once I get a little setup here (I just got in from two days travel and slept 11 hours, so I'm a bit fuzzy here myself). 

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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/07/14 11:08:36 (permalink)
    subtlearts


    Hi all. As promised (and after repeated delays due to a number of technical and other issues), here is my full and working setup to use a Native Instruements Kore hardware unit as a full-featured control surface for Sonar X1. 

    Detailed install notes are here:
    http://subtlearts.com/kor...trol_install_notes.pdf

    and usage notes (not really a manual) here:
    http://subtlearts.com/kor...ontrol_usage_notes.pdf

    the two files you'll need are linked from the Install document, or just snag them here:
    http://subtlearts.com/korex1/SonarX1.nck
    http://subtlearts.com/kor..X1_ACT_presets_Kore.spp


    Fully appreciate all your efforts though this is the first time I've seen your thread(s).

    However I'm fully overwhelmed with NI Maschine and the Korg Kronos right now though I'd like to try your software asap. I use the older Kore 1 device and I saw that someone else had some success with that.

    Hope to keep in touch with what you are doing and at some point make use of your contribution.

    Many many thanks.




    It's a bit complex to set up, since there's no native support on either side and the two interpretations of the 'Mackie Control' emulation mode are sufficiently different to make it unusable. So I've built it up from scratch using a custom template on the Kore side and a pair of custom ACT presets. I've tried to make the notes as clear as I can... but there's a lot of information, and it's late... 

    I'm intrigued to know whether this will work for others, especially since I use a 1st generation Kore unit and there may be minor differences to the Kore2 unit. Hopefully it will 'just work' but of course there's a reasonable chance that it won't, in which case let me know and I'll post instructions on setting up a template that will work with my ACT presets. 

    Good luck, I hope it works and helps improve your Kore / X1 experience!



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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/07/14 13:08:43 (permalink)
    i have favorited this thread; since Kore 2 barely works with jBridge/bitbridge on x64 for me, i'm waiting for Kore x64 to get deep into it

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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/07/14 13:15:25 (permalink)
    Hey, I'm way jealous on the Korg Kronos front, I would love to add that beast to the arsenal. I would imagine you have your hands full! I'm not sure I'd put a whole lot of effort into making Kore a big part of your flow at this point, given that it's discontinued... but given that I'm already set up I figure it's worth using for a while longer until something better/cooler comes along and I have the funds to migrate. 

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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/09/17 01:49:43 (permalink)
    Have set it up with KORE 2. Works fine, as far as I can tell.

    Great work & thanks.

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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2011/10/27 11:17:34 (permalink)
    Thanks for the post and the templates.  I've now got it working as a transport controller on my existing Kore 2 controller - - saved me from buying a 64-bit compatible replacement for my Tascam Fireone and freed up a primo spot on my desk.  I'll get into the deeper functions as time allows.



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    Re:Kore X1 control setup - ready for testing! 2012/07/04 02:51:45 (permalink)
    I recently moved and have been in transition so I am doing a lot more on my laptop, and experimenting with various bits and controllers I had lying about, just found this thread and plugged in this old Kore 1 and was quite impressed with your work here.

    I am dully impressed and offer a humble thanks and deep gratitude for all your work on these templates and posts.

    Thanks so much...not sure how much I will do with this since a lot of it I can do with the iPad, but there is something to be said for tactile interfaces...so thanks again!

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