Korg O5/RW bank not changing

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2008/06/13 08:30:05 (permalink)

Korg O5/RW bank not changing

Dudes:

The GM bank works fine and so do all its patches but changing to bank A has no effect.

I've done nothing to the instrument definition or setup which was working last time I used it.

Should I re-import the definition?

Thanks - rev
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    jrmunday
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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/13 18:11:20 (permalink)
    1. Under instruments, have you selected all 16 midi channels to point to 05/RW?
    2. You have selected your correct midi out port or driver?
    3. Confirm a midi out connection from the computer to midi in on the 05/RW.
    4. Select bank A.
    5. Select a patch to play.
    6. Send a GM reset sysex message and see if it does anything - is there any sysex in your file?.
    7. Possibly try a soft (initialise) reset on the Korg?
    8. The 05/RW is receiving on all channels (omni) rather than just one channel? Check its settings.
    Answer is here somewhere matey.
    John
    post edited by jrmunday - 2008/06/13 18:35:37

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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/13 20:36:19 (permalink)
    JR:

    Done everything but 6. Don't know how to do that. No sysex in the file.

    I even re-imported the definition and recalculated the bank change numbers, no joy.

    The answer is here somewhere...
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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/14 01:26:36 (permalink)
    In the definition file, it could be the bank change method is wrong.
    IIRC, some synths have first bank =0 and some have first bank =1, or something like that. I have had this trouble in the past.
    Simpler possibility, is the 05r/w in multi mode?

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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/14 07:33:53 (permalink)
    jim

    Good suggestions but I've been through them all and found nothing wrong. The bank change numbers are the same ones I've used for years and I wrote them on the cover of the manual because I went through hell getting the unit working when I first bought it.

    rev
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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/14 11:17:52 (permalink)
    Ok, have you tried the Korg .ins files that come with Sonar? Both the 05R/W and X5DR definitions should work - you just won't see the user patch names of your own, but the banks should select. They are writtenonly for prog & multi modes I think, not combi, so the module should be in prog or multi first for it to work. I've used the standard Korg ones with an X5 synth ( an 05r/w with a keyboard) and they worked for me, except for the 05r/w drums which was empty! So I assigned the X5DR drums on channel 10, which do work.

    Incidentally, I long ago gave up on instrument definitions. Having patch names in the sequencer that match the instrument is all very well, until you change those patches. Far better to save a sysex patch and multi dump with your project. Until this stuff is intelligent enough to read the patch names from the instrument, definition files are less than useful IMHO.

    Jim

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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/14 13:33:43 (permalink)
    >Ok, have you tried the Korg .ins
    Yep, that's the one that's loaded now and the one that's always worked. I've never edited the names so I'm used to whatever ships with the file. What I don't understand is why nothing happens when selecting the A bank. If it made no sound or switched to the wrong bank at least I'd have a response to chase down but no response at all doesn't give me a clue. It just remains on GM bank.

    You'll have to explain that sysex stuff sometime, I never got into that.
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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/14 15:53:54 (permalink)
    Here is a link to the .pdf manual from Korg 05/RW manual

    There might be some reset info in there.
    It might be that the 05 has decided to stop receiving patch changes or bank changes.
    Do an initialise and set up to receive GM data as before then see if it will respond to a bank change.

    I use my X5/DR all the time. Mostly in bank G but I use banks A an B for the basses which are great live!

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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/14 16:00:53 (permalink)
    Good idea, there are message filter settings in the global settings. Plus, don't bank select settings have to be sent on the synths global channel? I always had that set to the default channel 1. These bread & butter midi jobs are fading from my memory in these days of USB and softsynths!

    Oh yeh, sysex...
    System Exclusive messages or Sysex dumps.
    Arm a midi track for record.
    In the synth global menu, you'll find the choices to send multi & combi setups as well as program patches individual and all.
    Start record
    Send the sysex.
    You now have a track which when played back to the synth (mute it if you don't want it to), will restore those settings (some synths you have to set it up to recieve a sysex dump, but I think the Korg will act on recieve anyway)
    - Provided, the above mentioned midi filter menu is not set to exclude sysex.

    Somewhere I heard there is a Korg X series PC editor program, which will not only manage these sysex files, but also create the instrument definitions (patch names are contained within the sysex dumps)
    Jim
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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/14 17:09:59 (permalink)
    Thanks JR and Jim - good info! I'll check it out.

    Fortunately, I'm not heavily dependent on it. I mostly use my unit when working out multiple string or horn parts, because there's no latency issues. Then I switch to First Call Horns or EWQL Strings Gold to generate the audio.
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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/16 14:54:08 (permalink)
    Any luck? I just had a chance to test my old X5 - bank & program select works, but sent over the synths global channel in Multi Mode.
    Also found out why the Sonar definitions 05r/w drum programs don't show up - they're not in the definition. I dragged the folder for the X5DR drum names onto the 05r/w one and that fixes it.

    Jim

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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/16 15:55:49 (permalink)
    I haven't done anything about it yet except find my manual. My bank change numbers are correct so maybe you're right - perhaps it's just stopped listening to them for some reason. I tried putting a bank change in the MIDI file and sending that but it didn't respond.
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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/16 16:45:50 (permalink)
    Have you checked the filters in Global settings of the 05/RW? If the filter for patch/bank changes is ON, then the device will not receive those commands, despite it are correct in the instrument definition file.
    Greetings.

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    RE: Korg O5/RW bank not changing 2008/06/17 09:21:56 (permalink)
    Juca:

    Yes, I checked that and it's set to ENA in the Global settings. Do you happen to know how a hardware reset is done on this model? I have a non-searchable manual (from the Korg site) and I'd like to avoid reading the whole thing just to get that one instruction!

    Thanks - rev
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