Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2

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2013/02/09 21:04:05 (permalink)

Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2

Hoping someone here has had--and solved--this problem.
 
I've un-/re-installed the nanoKontrol2's drivers, and reset it to work with Sonar by following Korg's 3-step instructions (there's not a lot you need to do). I've done this twice, and there's really nothing to it. I know it's set properly in Sonar, and as far as the nanoKontrol2 is concerned.
 
While this worked just fine in X1, I can't get it to work properly in X2. When I choose the "Mackie" controller (per Korg's instructions), I can't control any fader or knob. The nanoKontrol2 just triggers MIDI notes, which I can watch in Piano Roll View. The same thing happens for any controller I choose.
 
Has anyone had this problem? Is there something I'm missing here?
 
Thanks in advance.... Steve
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/09 21:29:26 (permalink)
    I had to use the generic cakewalk controller to get my 3  fader nanokontrollers to work properly. I never did get the mackie emulation to work at all.

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/09 22:41:54 (permalink)
    Did you have X1, and did the Kontrol2 work properly for you in that?
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/10 00:06:07 (permalink)
    It worked for me after I installed X2. I had X1, which when I got the NK2, and had it working with it. It just worked in X2.

    There's a thread way, way back that explains how to get it to work.

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/10 01:38:03 (permalink)
    Could it have anything to do with the mysterious MIDI port limitation problem?
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/10 04:31:02 (permalink)
    ARE YOU SET TO SCENE 2? - s

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/10 13:11:20 (permalink)
    Anderton

    Could it have anything to do with the mysterious MIDI port limitation problem?
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    It's interesting you should mention the "show_nonpresent_devices" trick in XP--I use that in all versions of Windows when troubleshooting client computers (and cleaning out all the junk that accumulates). But I keep this aging XP machine as "clean" as possible, and since the Kontrol2 worked in X1, and all I had done was un-install that and then install X2, I didn't know if this was a bug in X2, and just one of the many things that wouldn't get fixed in an update because I'm not on a 64-bit OS.
     
    The Kontrol2 shows up as "active" in Device Manager, and the driver is loaded properly. The Korg editor software can even access it; Sonar is the one with the problem.
     
    The USB ports are all "clean" and active, though I've found that removing them letting Windows re-install them can help, so I may try that.
     
    Thanks again for your help here--and everywhere else!
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/10 13:25:32 (permalink)
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    ARE YOU SET TO SCENE 2? - s

    Actually, I used to use Scene 2 in X1, now that you mention it, and X2 defaults to Scene 1. But when I tried Scene 2 and removed/added the Kontrol2 again as a "Mackie" control surface, Sonar just said "Connecting..." but never actually connected with the device. (When using Scene 1, it would connect, but send MIDI notes (instead of CC values) to the channel.
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/10 13:26:59 (permalink)
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    It worked for me after I installed X2. I had X1, which when I got the NK2, and had it working with it. It just worked in X2.

    There's a thread way, way back that explains how to get it to work.

    You wouldn't happen to know roughly when that was posted, would you? I did a search here before posting my own, and didn't see anything similar on the first several pages--at least, nothing specific to the Kontrol2 and X2.
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/10 18:08:51 (permalink)
    Can you use it in X1 still? Save the preset from where you set it up originally then open that up in X2. Without looking it's hard to be sure.
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/11 23:07:59 (permalink)

    Guitarpima 

    There's a thread way, way back that explains how to get it to work. 


    Here's an article Setting Up NanoKontrol – Sonar from 2009.
    Mentioned in forum thread: KORG NANO KONTROL USB Controller

    Hope it helps. 

    Edit:  Additional finds...  
    Sonar forum - NanoKontrol Setup with Sonar
    Korg NanoKontrol and Sonar 8

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/11 23:33:36 (permalink)
    Any firmware updates available?

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/13 01:16:08 (permalink)
    Guitarpima

    Can you use it in X1 still? Save the preset from where you set it up originally then open that up in X2. Without looking it's hard to be sure.
    I uninstalled X1 when I went to X2. I'd love to put X1 back on, but I'm not sure if I can/should, now that X2 is on there.
     
    And I had no preset from X1it worked the way Korg said it should: as a "Mackie" controller.
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/13 01:17:19 (permalink)
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    Any firmware updates available?
    None newer than the one I installed after I got it. That was about a year ago, so it has the latest firmware. Good suggestion, though!
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/13 01:27:05 (permalink)
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    Guitarpima 

    There's a thread way, way back that explains how to get it to work. 


    Here's an article Setting Up NanoKontrol – Sonar from 2009.
    Mentioned in forum thread: KORG NANO KONTROL USB Controller

    Hope it helps. 

    Edit:  Additional finds...  
    Sonar forum - NanoKontrol Setup with Sonar
    Korg NanoKontrol and Sonar 8
    Thanks for the links, but they all appear to be for the original nanoKontrol (and Sonar X1 or 8.5.3). The X2 specifically offers pre-programmed "Mackie" compatibility (to a degree), and according to Korg (and my previous X1 installation), it will work as a Mackie controller.
     
    When I try to use "Cakewalk Generic Surface" as the tips above suggest, the Kontrol2 just plays MIDI notes (if I watch Piano Roll View); the knobs and faders don't respond, though all knobs and faders affect only the first track in Sonar.
    I was hoping an X2 and Kontrol2 user (or two) would know if this even works or not. If no one's been able to get it to work, I'll stop trying--and have one more reason to go back to X1...or to another DAW (yes, yes, heresy, I know....).
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/13 06:48:36 (permalink)
    Get the Mountain midi tools:
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    verify what is being sent by the korg.
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/13 07:28:48 (permalink)
    It might be a good idea to forget about running X2 on XP. The product was not tested on XP. If you are staying with XP, stay with X1 or, as you say, another DAW that is supported on XP.
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/13 10:48:55 (permalink)
    Yea I now remember some issues I had when installing. The controller was recognized in windows device manager and I think it was found by sonar, but would not work until i deleted a few midi ports. I had to run the uninstall program for the controller and it gives you the option of selecting the one(s) you wanted to delete. Once I got rid of the extras then the controller started working in sonar, but only as a generic controller. I'd try just getting one fader to work under generic, then at least you know that the rest of the unit can be mapped.

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2 2013/02/13 11:15:33 (permalink)
    I'd also try the korg fourm. That's where I eventually found the info I needed. Don't give up! As I'm sure you know it's a great controller when it works.

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/16 22:28:12 (permalink)
    For what it's worth, I re-installed Sonar X1, (leaving X2 installed), and the nanoKontrol2 worked just as I expected it to, and I didn't even have to configure it!
     
    This is obviously a bug in X2--one of many. I'm going to stick with X1 for as long as I can.
     
    Thanks all who tried to help.
     
    On a related note, the Search function for these forums sucks! I couldn't find any posts containing "nanoKontrol2"--including my own!
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 05:07:33 (permalink)
    Actually, I doubt it's a bug in X2. I tried using the nanoKontrol2 as an emulated Mackie Control in Sonar X2, Studio One Pro 2.5, Ableton Live 8, Acid Pro 7, and Vegas 10. It didn't work with any of them, yet other Mackie Control emulations (e.g., Samson Graphite) work with all of them. It could be that I'm not using the proper DAW control mode (the "hold down set marker + something else" thing), but shouldn't a Mackie Control emulation be the same, regardless of what DAW you use?
    I'm using a 64-bit system, so maybe that's the issue.
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 13:52:18 (permalink)
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    Actually, I doubt it's a bug in X2. I tried using the nanoKontrol2 as an emulated Mackie Control in Sonar X2, Studio One Pro 2.5, Ableton Live 8, Acid Pro 7, and Vegas 10. It didn't work with any of them, yet other Mackie Control emulations (e.g., Samson Graphite) work with all of them. It could be that I'm not using the proper DAW control mode (the "hold down set marker + something else" thing), but shouldn't a Mackie Control emulation be the same, regardless of what DAW you use?
    I'm using a 64-bit system, so maybe that's the issue.
    That is surprising, actually. And yes, you'd think emulation should be the same, regardless of the DAW mode. All I know is that I re-installed X1 (without so much as disconnecting the controller that didn't work with X2), and voila! It worked flawlessly as soon as I opened X1 for the first time. I didn't even have to configure it. Admittedly, some of X1's entries were probably still in the Registry; Revo Uninstaller doesn't remove everything. Still, it's nice when things just work.
     
    Frankly, between this latest "wrinkle" and X2 using much more RAM...and not being "supported" with or updated for Windows XP/32-bit OSes, I've gone back to X1 until I can afford a new PC. I like what X2 appeared to offer, but there were too many problems.
     
    Thanks for trying, Craig, and good luck with your Kontrol/controllers. (I can't imagine the amount of hardware and software you must troubleshoot each month in your work. It's a wonder you get anything done at all!)
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 16:10:11 (permalink)
    [<font]When I made my "preset" (I don't know what you call it. I made it work then I saved what I did as preset in X1 then opened that preset in X2) It workded. I'll try and find it and post it. Maybe it will help?

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 16:34:02 (permalink)
    I found the file in C:\Program files\Cakewalk\Shared Preset/{404C9315-693D-4715-A326-143A992FA784}

    It may be differnent for you.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14693440/Nano%20Kontrol%202.zip

    Maybe Mr. Anderton can elaborate better than I can. I hope this helps.

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 18:36:59 (permalink)
    Thanks for the attempt, Guitarpima, but there is no "C:\Program files\Cakewalk\Shared Preset/" folder on a 32-bit Windows XP installation. I found a "Shared Presets" folder, and put the file there, but no luck. I even removed and added the controller again in X2, but it still just says "Connecting...".
     
    Still, X1 is chugging right along, and my wife is starting to warm to the idea of me getting a new PC, so this might get solved one way or another soon enough!
     
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 18:39:43 (permalink)
    I believe you would need the associated registry entry. But I have never tried copying presets like that before.
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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 22:51:48 (permalink)
    It would have to go in a folder inside the shared presets folder. I used the generic cakewalk controller. When you get there, look at the dropdown list of presets, make a mental note of the names and put the file is the same folder inside the shared presets folder.

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 22:56:51 (permalink)
    I made a mistake.

    C:\Program files\Cakewalk\Sonar X1\User Data\Shared presets\????

    Thats the location. Sorry for the mixup.

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/17 23:00:12 (permalink)
    I just copied the file from my folder to the desktop, re-named it and put it back. I did not show up in the list.
     
    I just checked the registry. It looks like you could put the file there where I said before. Then you would have to go to:
     
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\ControlSurfaces\Presets\{404C9315-693D-4715-A326-143A992FA784}
     
    You would have to add a string directing it to the file you put in the folder.
     
    Mine looks like this:
     
    Value name
    Nano Kontrol 2
     
    Value Data:
    C:\Users\Robert\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\Shared Presets\{404C9315-693D-4715-A326-143A992FA784}\Nano Kontrol 2
    Unless there are other places in the registry that have to have things added as well, it did not work.
    post edited by Guitarpima - 2013/02/17 23:29:47

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    Re:Korg nanoKontrol2 doesn't work after upgrade to Sonar X2--SOLVED 2013/02/18 16:05:10 (permalink)
    planetearth


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    Actually, I doubt it's a bug in X2. I tried using the nanoKontrol2 as an emulated Mackie Control in Sonar X2, Studio One Pro 2.5, Ableton Live 8, Acid Pro 7, and Vegas 10. It didn't work with any of them, yet other Mackie Control emulations (e.g., Samson Graphite) work with all of them. It could be that I'm not using the proper DAW control mode (the "hold down set marker + something else" thing), but shouldn't a Mackie Control emulation be the same, regardless of what DAW you use?
    I'm using a 64-bit system, so maybe that's the issue.
    That is surprising, actually. And yes, you'd think emulation should be the same, regardless of the DAW mode. All I know is that I re-installed X1 (without so much as disconnecting the controller that didn't work with X2), and voila! It worked flawlessly as soon as I opened X1 for the first time. I didn't even have to configure it. Admittedly, some of X1's entries were probably still in the Registry; Revo Uninstaller doesn't remove everything. Still, it's nice when things just work.
     
    Frankly, between this latest "wrinkle" and X2 using much more RAM...and not being "supported" with or updated for Windows XP/32-bit OSes, I've gone back to X1 until I can afford a new PC. I like what X2 appeared to offer, but there were too many problems.
     
    Thanks for trying, Craig, and good luck with your Kontrol/controllers. (I can't imagine the amount of hardware and software you must troubleshoot each month in your work. It's a wonder you get anything done at all!)
     
    Steve
     
    Steve, have you ever run 2 nanoKONTROL2 units successfully in X1? I have been trying to getting in X2 on Win7 and get 1 working but not 2 (and I keep seeing Corrupted Korg drivers in the Korg Delete Driver utility so I still have plenty of troubleshooting).
     
    Glad I found this discussion.

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