Jesse Screed
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LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
Hello, I mentioned this in the LANDR thread. All things being equal, you should really try the Mastering Templates that are included in the Hopkinton update, created by Dan Gonzales. You can find info in the ezine, scroll to page 10. http://static.cakewalk.co...R_Hokpinton_Update.pdf There are some advantages to using them. 1. Free (at least after the initial renewal price.) 2. You can actually turn some knobs and make some sonic decisions. 3. There are 6 different choices as opposed to 3. 4. They are good. 5. I forgot number 5, but it was a good reason. 6. No need to waste bandwidth or time downloading and uploading. Trust me, check them out. Jesse Q. Screed
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irvin 
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/03 21:54:21
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In all honesty (and no insult to Mr. Gonzales), there is nothing like paying $10 for a LANDR Insta-Master. There is a veil lifted from the music, a creamy top end that fully complements the hefty bottom end of the frequency spectrum. In fact, the best way to finalize a song is to pre-master every single track with Lander before gain-staging them prior to mixing. Yes, the cost quickly goes up, but even $200 per song is still much less than what a top mastering engineer would charge.
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/03 21:59:33
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irvin???! i thougjt u quit! wtf!
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 09:46:11
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I sense some sarcasm from monsieur irvin... I have to admit it's pretty funny...
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 10:25:09
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☄ Helpfulby dwardzala 2016/03/04 11:45:48
irvin
In all honesty (and no insult to Mr. Gonzales), there is nothing like paying $10 for a LANDR Insta-Master. There is a veil lifted from the music, a creamy top end that fully complements the hefty bottom end of the frequency spectrum. In fact, the best way to finalize a song is to pre-master every single track with Lander before gain-staging them prior to mixing. Yes, the cost quickly goes up, but even $200 per song is still much less than what a top mastering engineer would charge.
This is some of the worst advice I've ever seen posted anywhere. If it was meant in jest, the humor's too subtle. I'm afraid beginners might take it seriously.
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THambrecht
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 11:01:40
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There are many reports with music examples on the net.
The most say, LANDR can not distinguish between a ballad or a rock song.
Instead 12 x 200$ per song for an album, I would buy plugins from Universal Audio and master for myself.
It's always possible to compare a LANDR-Master with the own master within the LANDR Basic subscription.
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Jimbo 88
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 11:09:06
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I've been tinkering with Dan's presets and i got to say....quite good!
It's almost embarrassing that he's using Sonitas plugins that in computer life should be old and out dated, but I like the results.
Goes to show it is not always the tools, but how to use them that counts the most.
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 11:42:30
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/03/04 15:41:01
Here's how I look at Mastering:
Great Master < Great Mix < Great Sounds < Great Performances < Great Pre-Production < Great Song
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 11:43:32
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Thanks for the kind words on the Mastering templates! It's pretty cool that you dudes have checked them out :)
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berlymahn
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 12:01:07
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Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
Here's how I look at Mastering:
Great Master < Great Mix < Great Sounds < Great Performances < Great Pre-Production < Great Song
Absolutely! Dan, Thanks for the templates. I use Ozone 7 (cause I have it and can be lazy, and also because of the various presents in there that get me pointed in the right direction), but no amount of Mastering effects can overcome a junky mix. And really, from what I heard from the pros, a good mix may not even need to be touched! Cakewalk has done wonders in the DAW world. Love my Sonar X3 and will upgrade to SPlate tonight (and check Dan's presents!). Regret missing that $99 deal. Damn.
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chuckebaby
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 13:39:06
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I love Dan's contributions. not only his templates but his videos are also A+ on the informative side of things.
always good idea's from Mr G.
as for the mastering templates, Ive only tried them a handful of times.
believe it or not some of the older sonar plug ins are some of my favorites till this day.
and the Sonitus suite ? the Delay has that old school feel to it, very simple.
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 13:56:06
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☄ Helpfulby mgustavo 2016/03/04 14:26:48
Yes, Mr Gonzales seems to have more than filled the educational vacuum left by the loss of Seth and Ryan.
Also gotta give some props to Bill Jackson too who is always informative and down to earth.
More of these doods please.
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Sh03e
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 14:07:51
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Beepster
Yes, Mr Gonzales seems to have more than filled the educational vacuum left by the loss of Seth and Ryan.
Also gotta give some props to Bill Jackson too who is always informative and down to earth.
More of these doods please.
Seth is really active in the Steam forums of SONAR, kind guy and really knows how to solve problems. Cheers :)
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Beepster
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 14:20:23
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Sh03e
Beepster
Yes, Mr Gonzales seems to have more than filled the educational vacuum left by the loss of Seth and Ryan.
Also gotta give some props to Bill Jackson too who is always informative and down to earth.
More of these doods please.
Seth is really active in the Steam forums of SONAR, kind guy and really knows how to solve problems.
Cheers :)
Thanks for the info. Glad he found a home for his resourcefulness. I'll have to go see what he's up to over there. Last I heard he had created his own site as well but was getting wailed on by spammers or something. I hope he managed to get that under control and is doing well. Dude's material taught me a LOT when I was just starting out. Cheers!
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 14:22:37
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Sh03e
Beepster
Yes, Mr Gonzales seems to have more than filled the educational vacuum left by the loss of Seth and Ryan.
Seth is really active in the Steam forums of SONAR, kind guy and really knows how to solve problems.
Different Seth. Although the Seth supporting Steam is good too.
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Beepster
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 14:30:01
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Ah... okay. I like that Seth too.
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kennywtelejazz
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 15:19:06
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The upgrade fro X3 to Splat is absolutely mind blowing ...best upgrade I've made  Hope you feel the same way Roger when you upgrade . FWIW , I'm not really a This VS That type of guy , yet I do fully understand why some people need to go there . A month ago I used Dan's Mastering templates the same exact way I have used LANDR since I have gotten LANDR ... I would take a mix of a song that was very close to being in the ball park as being a good candidate for Mastering and I would use on of Dan's Mastering Templates as a means of Mastering w a small m only because I'm not a Mastering engineer .I would then listen to various versions of my song critically to determine where I may need to make adjustments on my Mix ... This whole process for me has been very educational and I'm very happy that the Templates are included in SPlat ... I have also taken individual tracks such as guitar , bass , strings , and synth sounds and ran them through some of Dan's templates and treated the tracks as musical stems just as if I was using something like Ozone to dial things in .Then I would reintroduce the rendered tracks back into my parent song project and make adjustments to the project accordingly .... This process has also been very educational for me ... I may happen to march to the beat of a different drum machine in how I may choose to live my life at least around here because I'm entirely convinced that LANDR happens to also be a very useful tool that I have enjoyed getting to know and use . All the chit chat aside , LANDR was in fact part of the most recent SONAR update ...I chose to trust Cakewalk . Now I can fully empathize with the people that have taken issue with the installation process and the fact that if someone want's to get the most from what LANDR has to offer they may have to subscribe with some sort of plan. I get it , I'm not here to argue ..... I wound up going with a monthly low res plan just to find out for my self how useful LANDR would be in my current situation ...I don't eat fast food , but for the price of a happy meal ...I'm in ...I got a month to evaluate ... So far I'm happy to have my Cake twice over ...Dan's Templates and LANDR .... Am I now considered unprofessional because I 'm OK w learning new things and finding out for myself ? all the best, Kenny
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 15:52:07
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Jimbo 88
It's almost embarrassing that he's using Sonitas plugins that in computer life should be old and out dated, but I like the results.
Don't underestimate software from age alone... (quite a few die-hard Project5 fans here too). I think in the computer realm "old and outdated" is sort of the expectation we are led to buy into, since the entire market thrives on "new and desirable." If the core functionality does what it should and it will run on newer O/S' (bigger limitation), it is not a real worry as to what it is. Folks don't do GAS back flips over new word processors... they were meant to replace a typewriter, and did so decades ago. The one I find most bothersome is simple graphic/picture editing on any computer, and have an ancient copy of "Paint Shop Pro 5" that has all the core functionality needed (editing, markups, layers, cloning, etc.). Pales in comparison to Photoshop CC sure, but it does have all of the core features needed and fits on a thumb drive... so always been able to touch up presentation materials on the fly on any machine. Ironically, rather than people say "Ew, what was that?" they more often say "How did you just do that?" (People always tend to be ecstatic when you save their bacon for some reason.) In some cases, the only difference between old and new is the GUI looks cooler.
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vanceen
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Re: LANDR vs. Sonar (Dan Gonzales)
2016/03/04 18:31:05
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Dan Gonzalez [Cakewalk]
Here's how I look at Mastering:
Great Master < Great Mix < Great Sounds < Great Performances < Great Pre-Production < Great Song
Very well said! If it's not a great song, performed and arranged well, nothing will make it a great recording. And if the bare recording doesn't sound at least very good, without any tweaks, effects, or mastering, nothing will make it a great recording. I've done a fair bit of mastering, but don't consider myself an expert. Still, I think that the mastering process is often over-hyped. If you've got something that's very good, good mastering can make it better. But if anything in your chain is bad, the best mastering in the world isn't going to fix it.
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