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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/08 09:57:39
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Just remembered why I don't much come here.
This thread is a stinker... manure for sure.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/08 10:04:33
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Wait. Is Mudgel suggesting that he lives "Elsewhere?"
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/08 10:22:30
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Wait. Is Mudgel suggesting that he lives "Elsewhere?"
...or somewhere else! I would be more concerned with beings existing in the 4th and 5th demension HERE. J
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/08 13:33:17
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Hi,
Us aliens have known that for many years, but you farts won't listen and still write the same old song!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/09 22:01:09
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2013/11/09 22:08:20
My farts are like snowflakes. Every one a different and special (sacred?) ephemeral instance of a fleeting moment in the cosmos. And, like electrons, my farts can be (are?) in several places at once. Like quantum particles they exist in many "membranes" in space and time. Smelling sulfurous and rancid in some dimensions while exuding the odor of lilacs and bath talc in others. YMMV.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/10 12:35:35
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Hey, just watch that "Jersey" stuff guys! I ain't one of 'em and I sure ain't intelligent! :P
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/10 14:34:38
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mike_mccue
That explains everything. Mike, would you care to elaborate for those of us mere mortals that don't share your profound and poignant intellect? And maybe you'd like to also reply to my last couple of posts that you've conveniently ignored. Thanks, I'd really appreciate it.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/11 09:04:17
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batsbrew
no, it takes 'surface temperature' as well
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131104152720.htm
I think the biggest problem is that we're stuck on our own "physics" and do not believe that there are other type of organisms out there that live in completely different environments that we can not conceive. Gotta love how egocentric the science is in that matter. WE'RE defining what is out there in the universe, instead of that universe defining for us what there is and there is not!
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/11 10:13:20
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Moshkiae
I think the biggest problem is that we're stuck on our own "physics" and do not believe that there are other type of organisms out there that live in completely different environments that we can not conceive.
Gotta love how egocentric the science is in that matter. WE'RE defining what is out there in the universe, instead of that universe defining for us what there is and there is not!
The crux of the matter is precicely that.. matter. For as far as we can see into and towards the edge of our universe the laws of physics as we know them seem to apply equaly, as our predictions sujest they should. By definition this would require that life as we know it here would require similar conditions elsewhere. Life "as we know it" being based around Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen. (with trace elements). If you try to create a life cycle based on different elements you get into all sorts of problems of energy gradients that don't work, reaction products that are too solid or stable to be re-used, temperature incompatabilies, etc.. You can only look for what you know. That being said, the universality of the laws of physics would sujest that carbon, hydrogen and oxygen would be just as abundent elsewhere in the universe as they are on Earth, so there is no reason to doubt the possiblity of other carbon based life in the universe, even if proving its existence may prove futile. And now back to your regular program.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/11 11:47:58
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MoshkiaeI think the biggest problem is that we're stuck on our own "physics" and do not believe that there are other type of organisms out there that live in completely different environments that we can not conceive.
Gotta love how egocentric the science is in that matter. WE'RE defining what is out there in the universe, instead of that universe defining for us what there is and there is not!
"Physics" is not an opinion. And "egocentric" is thinking our opinions carry the same weight as facts.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/11 13:34:56
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I've been in the workforce for 40 years. The changes I've seen have me to believe that if Aliens don't take over then robots will be needed. The workplace has become total crazy. 100%...total. Not 99.99999. The workplace hotline is the tool for tools to register their ideas/complaints and the lawyers take it from there. Like so many things a degree of intelligence is not a requirement or even desired....by the tool or lawyers. After seeing first-hand I think there is but one solution, without Alien takeover, and that is for every working person to own a robot that they will need to maintain and program as needed to perform their job duties. When one reaches the retirement age and IF they have taken care of their robot then it can stay at home and handle tasks as needed while enjoying open communication with their owner....which will probably be illegal if a hotline is created for robots. I am very content knowing that I have just a few years left before escaping this madness by my choice and if shortened by their choice...just not a problem. spelling...
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/11 14:35:19
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What's the matter here? 
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/11 20:35:02
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Similar to the matter there. I reckon. Matter is pretty much consistent throughout the known universe.
It's the unknown universe that's inconsistent.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/11 20:57:45
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batsbrew
think they are from jersey....
LOL!
Life began in a place far, far away....a place called....jersey.
Yes we from Jersey are aliens. You have been contacted, you have been warned.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/12 10:06:22
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Karyn
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You can only look for what you know.
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And now back to your regular program.
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I like the idea that there is more, much more, and that we can fit in that "more", well, too! It's my only hope, desire, and idea, about it all. We limit too much of ourselves by our social behavior and interactions, and only when you trip around the world some and visit three or four places, will one see these differences. It's the same thing talking about foreign music here, and I seriously doubt that many of these folks will EVER even bother to listen to 5 bars in any of them! On top of it, it's the same guitar, amp and recording materials! How's that for different!
post edited by Moshkiae - 2013/11/12 10:14:01
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/12 11:07:27
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Karyn
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You can only look for what you know.
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And now back to your regular program.
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I like the idea that there is more, much more, and that we can fit in that "more", well, too! It's my only hope, desire, and idea, about it all.
We limit too much of ourselves by our social behavior and interactions, and only when you trip around the world some and visit three or four places, will one see these differences. It's the same thing talking about foreign music here, and I seriously doubt that many of these folks will EVER even bother to listen to 5 bars in any of them! On top of it, it's the same guitar, amp and recording materials! How's that for different!
I see what you're saying, we should broaden our horizons more, but you're missing my point. You could give me a piece of paper with my name written in the middle surrounded "random" shapes and squiggles which could each be my name written in a different alphabet. Chinese, Japanese, Greek, Korean, Hebrew etc. Unless you told me all those shapes and squiggles were my name I would not know. I only know what it looks like in English with a Latin alphabet. We may have been staring into space for the past hundred years right at inteligent aliens trying to contact us, but we don't recognise them. We can only look for what we know.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/12 11:54:09
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/12 11:58:48
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2013/11/12 12:02:17
Moshkiae
I like the idea that there is more, much more, and that we can fit in that "more", well, too! It's my only hope, desire, and idea, about it all.
We limit too much of ourselves by our social behavior and interactions, and only when you trip around the world some and visit three or four places, will one see these differences. It's the same thing talking about foreign music here, and I seriously doubt that many of these folks will EVER even bother to listen to 5 bars in any of them! On top of it, it's the same guitar, amp and recording materials! How's that for different!
Interestingly, for someone who is always suggesting people explore new and different things, you seem to repeat this one particular idea a whole lot with very little variation. Perhaps you need to stop limiting yourself and to explore some new ideas here?
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/13 09:30:02
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MoshkiaeI think the biggest problem is that we're stuck on our own "physics" and do not believe that there are other type of organisms out there that live in completely different environments that we can not conceive.
Gotta love how egocentric the science is in that matter. WE'RE defining what is out there in the universe, instead of that universe defining for us what there is and there is not!
"Physics" is not an opinion.
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Not sure about that! Most astrophysicists disagree on a lot of things and theories. The point was, that we're too small and think that the physics that work here in our environment are the same physics that work in different environments, and that is a supposition, not physics. Question is, would the physics also stand up in the bigger celestial world, and we can not say with any certainty that it can ... we're just now getting out of our VERY OWN solar system with Voyager, to be able to get any idea, and the information from there will change a lot of physics in the next 10 years! Keep an eye on it!
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/13 12:36:15
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Moshkiae
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MoshkiaeI think the biggest problem is that we're stuck on our own "physics" and do not believe that there are other type of organisms out there that live in completely different environments that we can not conceive.
Gotta love how egocentric the science is in that matter. WE'RE defining what is out there in the universe, instead of that universe defining for us what there is and there is not!
"Physics" is not an opinion.
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Not sure about that! Most astrophysicists disagree on a lot of things and theories.
The point was, that we're too small and think that the physics that work here in our environment are the same physics that work in different environments, and that is a supposition, not physics.
Question is, would the physics also stand up in the bigger celestial world, and we can not say with any certainty that it can ... we're just now getting out of our VERY OWN solar system with Voyager, to be able to get any idea, and the information from there will change a lot of physics in the next 10 years!
Keep an eye on it!
Physics/science is evidence based. Though indeed competing theories are common in the scientific world, those theories will either be confirmed, discarded or continue as unproven theories based on evidence. Or perhaps they will be rejected based on their own inconsistencies or incoherence, or superseded by newer "better" theories. Randomly imagining that different rules might somehow apply somewhere else and then assuming that this is likely to be true - absent any evidence or coherent theory why this should be so - is an error in reasoning. You can assert that things might be different somewhere somehow, but until there is evidence that things are different somewhere, or there is a comprehensive theory explaining why we might expect things to be different in particular ways, there is nothing there.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/13 16:11:56
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Moshkiae
drewfx1
MoshkiaeI think the biggest problem is that we're stuck on our own "physics" and do not believe that there are other type of organisms out there that live in completely different environments that we can not conceive.
Gotta love how egocentric the science is in that matter. WE'RE defining what is out there in the universe, instead of that universe defining for us what there is and there is not!
"Physics" is not an opinion.
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Not sure about that! Most astrophysicists disagree on a lot of things and theories.
The point was, that we're too small and think that the physics that work here in our environment are the same physics that work in different environments, and that is a supposition, not physics.
Question is, would the physics also stand up in the bigger celestial world, and we can not say with any certainty that it can ... we're just now getting out of our VERY OWN solar system with Voyager, to be able to get any idea, and the information from there will change a lot of physics in the next 10 years!
Keep an eye on it!
Physics/science is evidence based. Though indeed competing theories are common in the scientific world, those theories will either be confirmed, discarded or continue as unproven theories based on evidence. Or perhaps they will be rejected based on their own inconsistencies or incoherence, or superseded by newer "better" theories.
Randomly imagining that different rules might somehow apply somewhere else and then assuming that this is likely to be true - absent any evidence or coherent theory why this should be so - is an error in reasoning. You can assert that things might be different somewhere somehow, but until there is evidence that things are different somewhere, or there is a comprehensive theory explaining why we might expect things to be different in particular ways, there is nothing there.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/13 17:05:53
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☄ Helpfulby drewfx1 2013/11/13 19:53:41
I remember a time in my childhood when an alien dropped by for a visit. He said his name, but I don't remember what it was. I think it was "Tom." I offered him a slice of my toast and he cut it into thirds so he could slip a piece into each shoe. After he finished buttering his eyestalks, he said he wanted to watch some TV.
I turned it on and his ear lobe hit the floor. He pointed at the screen with a trembling nosenail. "One of these things is not like the other..." sang the box. He collapsed in amazement.
I don't know how long he stayed like that, but I know I finished Sesame Street and had moved on to The Electric Company before my dog bit him. He was in her spot. Also, it was more of a nip.
He fled from the house, screaming something about pattern recognition. I turned back to the TV because they were running a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. I was always hopeful that one of these days, it wouldn't be a test.
He came back a week later. We watched TV and ate grilled cheese sandwiches. Tom got melted cheese stuck between his toes. So did I. Sesame Street came on and the Count added one to another number. It blew Tom's mind.
The last post reminded me of that day.
Hope that helps.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/13 17:15:21
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I remember a time in my childhood when an alien dropped by for a visit. He said his name, but I don't remember what it was. I think it was "Tom." I offered him a slice of my toast and he cut it into thirds so he could slip a piece into each shoe. After he finished buttering his eyestalks, he said he wanted to watch some TV.
I turned it on and his ear lobe hit the floor. He pointed at the screen with a trembling nosenail. "One of these things is not like the other..." sang the box. He collapsed in amazement.
I don't know how long he stayed like that, but I know I finished Sesame Street and had moved on to The Electric Company before my dog bit him. He was in her spot. Also, it was more of a nip.
He fled from the house, screaming something about pattern recognition. I turned back to the TV because they were running a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. I was always hopeful that one of these days, it wouldn't be a test.
He came back a week later. We watched TV and ate grilled cheese sandwiches. Tom got melted cheese stuck between his toes. So did I. Sesame Street came on and the Count added one to another number. It blew Tom's mind.
The last post reminded me of that day.
Hope that helps.
Um, not trying to nit-pick such a nice story UB, but I believe his name was actually "T hom." HTH.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/14 08:52:48
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So, you've met him, then?
He was a nice guy. I felt bad about his explosion. As far as that's concerned, I would just like to say that it was not my fault. I hadn't seen him for many years and I had grown accustomed to leaving my TV remote out. I wasn't expecting him to drop in.
We exchanged a few pleasantries, he handed me a spiny plant that he said would eat bats, and he grabbed the remote. He scanned some stations and then it happened. He stopped on a PBS channel and froze in slack tongued amazement.
The TV sang, "Tinky Winky, Dipsy, Laa Laa, Po," and I knew we were in trouble. He squeaked softly, swelled up, kicked his faces, and popped like a ballon. You would not believe how hard it is to clean alien carcass out of your carpet.
On the positive side, my neighborhood has been bat free ever since.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/14 12:17:02
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Don't feel too sad. The exoskeleton is just for our benefit; his kind don't realize the shock and cleanup has on our species when they shed it. You probably didn't notice, but his "essence" left your house in the shape of a fruitfly (hence his fear of bats). I'm guessing he'll be back after he takes a few off-planet AA meetings (Aliens Anonymous).
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/15 13:44:30
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Moshkiae
I think the biggest problem is that we're stuck on our own "physics" and do not believe that there are other type of organisms out there that live in completely different environments that we can not conceive.
Gotta love how egocentric the science is in that matter. WE'RE defining what is out there in the universe, instead of that universe defining for us what there is and there is not!
Says who? Those things you speak of happen right here on Earth as scientists discover strange new life forms in areas they thought completely uninhabitable. We yet know very little about the place we occupy. .
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/15 14:33:12
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We yet know very little about the Coffee House we post in.
Quantized.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/15 14:42:57
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We know very little.
Greatly Exaggerated.
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
2013/11/15 14:50:10
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and yet the aliens still come across billions of miles of space, with their probes...
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Re: LIFE ELSEWHERE
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I only found out how ugly I was when I was abducted by aliens... "Well, let's get it over with" I remarked, "I expect you're going to probe me now aren't you?" "Not tonight" it replied, "I've got a headache" 
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