Twigman
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Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
Last night I decided to create a audio kick track to use as a sidechain trigger throughout the whole song. I had a midi kick track driving my kick sample that sounded for the first 48 bars then went silent for 32 bars then resumed... I froze the kick track, copied the frozen kick track to a new audio track, unfroze the kick. On the new audio track (copy of frozen audio) I split the clip @ 49.1.000 and deleted everything after this time. I then selected GrooveClipLooping (or whatever it's called from the right click menu) in the belief that the behaviour would be the same as midi groove clip looping so that I could run this out for the full length of the song but I got some message about data outside of the clip and once I'd converted it to a groove clip the tempo changed to something much quicker than it was before and the clip was much shorter (in time) but contained the correct number of kick hits. What went wrong? In the end I undid the groove clip and copy/pasted the 48bar passage but I'd like to know what went wrong with my groove clip looping.
post edited by Twigman - 2008/02/06 09:16:37
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torhan
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 08:34:11
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You can manually set the number of beats for the clip in the Clip Properties window - if Sonar guessed wrong.
Not sure what went wrong - maybe there the last note of the clip extended into the next measure and was cut off?
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Twigman
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 08:36:03
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ORIGINAL: torhan
Not sure what went wrong - maybe there the last note of the clip extended into the next measure and was cut off?
No I made sure that the waveform had zeroed before the end of the beat. I split at 49.1.000 which showed as silence on the graphic.
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Twigman
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 09:15:19
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ORIGINAL: torhan
You can manually set the number of beats for the clip in the Clip Properties window - if Sonar guessed wrong.
Why would Sonar be guessing? It already knows where the audio sits relative to the timeline.
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 09:47:25
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Not sure why it does that, but I had a similar issue. I remember having to define the number of beats per clip. Sonar needs this, as groove clips will follow tempo changes. HTH.
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 09:55:30
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ORIGINAL: AvR
I remember having to define the number of beats per clip. Where? I suspect Sonar is expecting x # of beats where x is equivalent to 32 bars (or something - i didn't note exactly how long the clip became).
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 10:03:52
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Not at my workstation right now but I believe if you right click on the clip and choose clip properties its in there somewhere. I remember i created a 2 measure clip and enabled goove clipping, and sonar turned it into a 1 measure clip at 4 beats per. If i remember correct i had to specify 8 beats per clip to get it working. Something like that IIRC.
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 10:08:16
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I split the clip @ 49.1.000 and deleted everything after this time.
... but I got some message about data outside of the clip Maybe the fact it was a non-destructive edit that caused the warning message and that data (original length) was taken into account calculating clip length. Try 'bounce to clip' after deleting, and check '# of beats' in clip properties before groove clipping.
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 10:19:25
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You audio is too long for groove clip. Grove clip usually work with few bars (1, 2, 4 etc), not 48.
post edited by Vovchik - 2008/02/06 10:35:34
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Twigman
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 10:51:09
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ORIGINAL: Vovchik
You audio is too long for groove clip.
Why is the length limited?
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 13:16:08
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there should not be a limit for groove clips it just follows your bars per beat. maybe groove clip before taking it to audio!
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 13:20:08
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There's no limit to how many groove clips can be rolled out, but there is a limit to how many beats for the ORIGINAL ungrooved clip are allowed. I think it's 256. but would have to double check. ORIGINAL: Dappa1
there should not be a limit for groove clips it just follows your bars per beat. maybe groove clip before taking it to audio!
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 13:23:51
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I think the problem is that your ORIGINAL clip was 48 bars and you tried to groove-clip that. It's probably too many beats to do that (I think the max is something like 256 per clip). Usually one would have a 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 bar phrase (clip) and turn that into a groove clip. Long audio clips cannot be groove clipped either if they are longer than 256 beats (if that's the value, I just can't remember not being at my DAW, but I think 256 is it). It would be better to take your kick and chop it down to a 2 bar phrase, groove clip that, and roll it out for the 48 bars you wanted. ORIGINAL: Twigman
Last night I decided to create a audio kick track to use as a sidechain trigger throughout the whole song.
I had a midi kick track driving my kick sample that sounded for the first 48 bars then went silent for 32 bars then resumed...
I froze the kick track, copied the frozen kick track to a new audio track, unfroze the kick.
On the new audio track (copy of frozen audio) I split the clip @ 49.1.000 and deleted everything after this time.
I then selected GrooveClipLooping (or whatever it's called from the right click menu) in the belief that the behaviour would be the same as midi groove clip looping so that I could run this out for the full length of the song but I got some message about data outside of the clip and once I'd converted it to a groove clip the tempo changed to something much quicker than it was before and the clip was much shorter (in time) but contained the correct number of kick hits.
What went wrong?
In the end I undid the groove clip and copy/pasted the 48bar passage but I'd like to know what went wrong with my groove clip looping.
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RE: Lack of understanding here?....groove clips
2008/02/06 13:33:16
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Long audio clips cannot be groove clipped either if they are longer than 256 beats (if that's the value, I just can't remember not being at my DAW, but I think 256 is it). That sounds right. I think Project5 works the same way, which was much more noticeable befor audio recoring was added in v2. Prior to that, you could only import groove clips and they had (what I believe was) that same limitation.
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