Lag--good for golf but not for Sonar

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2014/04/08 14:39:48 (permalink)

Lag--good for golf but not for Sonar

Ok I just bought x3 and installed it on my laptop with Win 7 ( I have sonar 5 on my desktop with XP)
One thing I did notice is that when I hit play or rewind on my laptop there is about a 1.5 sec delay before anything happens. This is not the case with my old setup.
 
 Does anyone have any idea why this is happening and how I can fix it
 
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    robert_e_bone
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    Re: Lag--good for golf but not for Sonar 2014/04/08 15:41:43 (permalink)
    Hi - for folks with laptops, a common issue is that WI-Fi adapters can add giant bunches of latency and cause audio lag, dropouts, crackles, and such.
     
    What lots of folks do is to temporarily disable or turn off the Wi-Fi adapter just prior to launching Sonar, then go and ahead and do your Sonar session, then when done with Sonar go back and simply enable or turn on the Wi-Fi adapter again.
     
    Some laptops have a little hardware switch on the outside of the chassis, or there is a function key to turn off the adapter. If not, then you can go into Windows Device Manager, locate the Wi-Fi adapter in the listed devices, right click on it, then click 'Disable'.  This will not hurt anything (except you won;t be able to get to the web while it is disabled - which is fine, because you will be in Sonar).  After finishing with Sonar, go back into Device Manager, right-click on the adapter again, and click 'Enable' and all will be just fine.
     
    Now, the above is a common thing causing latency in laptops, but it is possible your settings are needing some changes, as well, or instead of the above.
     
    Do you have a dedicated audio interface, or are you just using your on-board sound as your audio device in Sonar?
     
    IF you are using your on-board sound in Sonar, then this is likely not going to cut it, as they are just not robust enough for the kinds of things Sonar does with sound.  Sonar demands a lot more horsepower than what Windows would need to do to just play back a song.  So, if you are using your on-board sound for your audio device in Sonar, I HIGHLY recommend you consider purchasing a dedicated audio interface instead.  A separate audio interface will take the load off of your CPU for the massive amounts of analog/digital conversion that has to take place for audio streaming in Sonar.
     
    IF you already have a dedicated audio interface, then please list your settings for the following: For your audio interface, please list your Sample Rate, and ASIO Buffer Size.  For Sonar, please list: Driver Mode, Sample Rate, Total Roundtrip Latency.  (The Sonar information can be found in Edit>Preferences>Audio>Driver Settings - for Sample Rate and Total Roundtrip Latency, and in Edit>Preferences>Audio>Playback and Recording for Driver Mode).
     
    If using a dedicated audio interface, I suggest the following settings, as a reasonable starting point: Audio interface - Sample Rate 44.1 k or 48 k, ASIO Buffer Size of 128.  For Sonar, Driver Mode of ASIO, Sample Rate that matches the one for the audio interface, Record Bit-Depth of 24 bits (you can set the record bit-depth in Edit>Preferences>File>Audio Data).
     
    You want to get your Total Roundtrip Latency in Sonar to be around or just under 10 milliseconds.
     
    OK - so please review the above and respond, 
     
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    Re: Lag--good for golf but not for Sonar 2014/04/10 00:29:21 (permalink)
    Thanks Bob
      That was indeed the issue. My laptop has an f12 key that turns on and off the wireless connection so it's easy to do.
     
       Presently I am using the sound card in the laptop and it works well enough to let me bring in a wave file and listen to it. I always thought that these kinds of cards did a fairly descent job of at least playing back wave/mpeg files but was quite surprised when I recently A/B it against my ipod with both going to a fairly good system via the headphone jacks.
       The laptop did not sound nearly as good as the ipod.
     
     One of the reasons I installed Sonar on my laptop is so that I can take it to live shows and multitrack the band. I've done this with my desktop in the past but dragging all the stuff around gets a little tiresome. So I am in the market for a soundboard that has a built in USB multitrack feature instead of a standalone one.
     
           Thanks again
                   Lex
     
      
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    Re: Lag--good for golf but not for Sonar 2014/04/10 05:31:34 (permalink)
    Well, there are a bunch of USB-connected audio interfaces out there that would fit the bill for hooking up to your laptop for capturing your live performances.  They start at around $150 on up, depending on features.  My current Presonus AudioBox 1818 VSL was something like $500, but has decent converters and 8 mic pre-amps and phantom power.
     
    I used to use a laptop with Sonar and a USB-connected audio interface for live capture of performances of the church band, and for gigging, and it was fabulous.  I simply used Velcro to secure the interface to the stand I had the laptop on, and it took no extra space that way.
     
    Bob Bone
     

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    Re: Lag--good for golf but not for Sonar 2014/04/10 17:59:31 (permalink)
     
        I would buy the Presonus live 16.4.2 but alas it only has a firewire connection.
     
         I wonder now that firewire is being fazed out if Pesonus will have something similar with a USB interface. I know the A&H Mixwizard has an optional usb interface but I have yet to even find a price on it.
     
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    Re: Lag--good for golf but not for Sonar 2014/04/11 13:25:39 (permalink)
    This may be way oversimplifying it, but have you tried hitting either the scroll lock (or pause button - I can't remember which one it is). One of those buttons does a function that puts sonar into a "low resource" mode or something. I did that once accidentally and fought for days trying to figure out why there was a huge delay whenever I 'd hit any of the transport controls and things like the channel meters didn't work right. The buttons toggle the function off and on.
     
     
    Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it's the Pause key.

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    Re: Lag--good for golf but not for Sonar 2014/04/11 14:02:54 (permalink)
    Yup - the Pause key puts it into conservation mode.
     
    Bob Bone
     

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