Last Question About Offset

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2014/01/05 17:59:13 (permalink)

Last Question About Offset

So, I disabled the O key to prevent unintentional entries into Offset mode; however, now I want to enter Offset mode quickly just to ensure that there are no offsets in a project; that is, to ensure all faders are at 0 in offset mode.  The Sonar help does not indicate any way to get into Offset mode except for the shortcut key.
 
Where might I find a menu option to get into Offset mode?
 
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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/05 18:07:16 (permalink)
    Apparently there's an Offset Mode toolbar button in the "Mix" module.
     

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/06 02:58:53 (permalink)
    Kev999
    Apparently there's an Offset Mode toolbar button in the "Mix" module.
     




    There is but that is new in X3 IIRC. I believe Konrad is using X1.
     
    As to the question, not that I know of. The only thing I can think of is to set up another keyboard shortcut but with something a little harder to press accidentally than "O".
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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/06 03:34:45 (permalink)
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    Apparently there's an Offset Mode toolbar button in the "Mix" module.

    There is but that is new in X3 IIRC.



    I don't have X3, so it's not as new as you thought.

    I've just checked the Sonar 7 manual and I found it there too.  It's one of those buttons you never notice and never use.

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/06 09:21:38 (permalink)
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    Apparently there's an Offset Mode toolbar button in the "Mix" module.

    There is but that is new in X3 IIRC.



    I don't have X3, so it's not as new as you thought.

    I've just checked the Sonar 7 manual and I found it there too.  It's one of those buttons you never notice and never use.


     
    Sorry my mistake. I could have sworn that was a feature introduced or reintroduced recently. My memory is shot obviously.
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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/06 18:15:44 (permalink)
    It must be a slightly different location then, because the Control Bar didn't exist prior to X1. 
     

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/06 18:19:55 (permalink)
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    It must be a slightly different location then, because the Control Bar didn't exist prior to X1. 

     
    It was in the Automation toolbar in Sonar 7.

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/06 18:36:34 (permalink)
    Ah.. there ya go!   So the icon itself has been around for a while, it's just a matter of figuring out where in X1 it is... assuming it is in the Control Bar as in X2 and X3: 
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR X2&Lang=EN&Req=ControlBar.06.html#1350756
     

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/06 21:13:55 (permalink)
    Apologies again for all the time I have taken from you fine folks on my automation woes.   Since we are talking, however, in the Mix module in my Control Bar I see Mute, Solo (and its modes), Echo, Read, Write, PDC (delay comp), and FX (toggle all effects off/on).
     
    What does this elusive Offset tool look like?
     
    AND BY THE WAY, one thing Cakewalk really needs to fix is to ensure they include pictures of tools.  I can't tell you how many times I have seen something in the help like, "Click the Track Morphing Tool" with no description, picture, or location.
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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/06 22:39:57 (permalink)
    I'm telling you, believe me or not, the Offset function is screwed up.
     
    Opened a different project.
    • Went into Offset mode to ensure I did NOT have any Offsets before I began final mix.
    • Some of the tracks showed the + indicating Offset; some did not.
    • If there is no offset, the fader should go to zero.  Many did, but some went to -INF.
    • I had to go through track by track, setting every fader to 0 in Offset mode; but sometimes I had to go through this procedure more than once for a given track—the tracks that had neither the + nor the segmented line that indicates normal mode.
     
    NOte that I have an mp3 and wav export of the project in question; but when I opened the project, the mix sounded ridiculous.  This happens to me all the time.  I promise you, there is something majorly screwed up.
     

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/07 00:36:24 (permalink)
    konradh
    What does this elusive Offset tool look like?




    The button labelled K.

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/07 02:32:19 (permalink)
    I can't swear to it 'cos I don't have it installed any more but I'm fairly sure that the offset button in the mix module wasn't in X1, re-introduced in X2 (not X3 as I first thought).
     
    I remember thinking that it was going to be much easier to realise I was in offset when I saw it back. Anyone confirm my thoughts?
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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/07 04:28:13 (permalink)
    FastBikerBoy
    I can't swear to it 'cos I don't have it installed any more but I'm fairly sure that the offset button in the mix module wasn't in X1...



    It looks like you are correct. Here's a screenshot that I found by googling:
    http://www.americanmusica...1_Screenshot_large.JPG
    I can't see an Offset Mode button anywhere on the toolbar.

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/07 12:09:08 (permalink)
    Same here - the only reference I can find for Offset Mode in X1 is the "O" keyboard shortcut.   
     
    Konrad, perhaps it would be better to assign Offset to an unused modifer + letter combination instead of completely unbound, that way at least it's accessible!

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/07 17:08:06 (permalink)
    Bit of an irony here. As soon as someone finally wants to use this overlooked facility, it turns out that he has the only version that doesn't include it.
     

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    Re: Last Question About Offset 2014/01/07 17:41:26 (permalink)
    Thanks for the picture!  That's great.
     
    Correct, I do not have this in X1.  Currently, I am entering Offset mode to check a project and ensure all Offsets are null.  Then I disable the O key and mix the project.
     
    Before I start the final mix of the next project, I enable O once again to check.
     
    Obviously on new projects this won't be an issue unless the ghost in my machine turns offset on while I'm sleeping.

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