Latency Question??

Ok...I'm tired of just feeling that I have to live with this so here goes...........
Sonar X2 Producer/Windows7/64bit..not that any of that matters lol
 
I want to record a vocal track with a little reverb in the monitor (headphones)..not printed.
If I turn off the little blue square (input echo) and the track is not recording, just sitting there...I hear myself dry and there is no latency. When I hit record the echoing (latency) issue is present. 
 
If I have a reverb in the fx section and turn on the blue echo button I get the reverb while I'm recording (the latency is there but not as noticeable because the reverb is drowning it out...but it's there)...but...if I leave the blue echo button on and turn off the reverb (while recording)...I get an echo like a 100 ms (probably less than that) or so....
Audio channel is routed (standard routing) into the master if that matters...nothing tricky going on there.
 
I said all of that to ask....
How can I get my recording track wet so I can sing with some reverb without the latency (delay) issue happening?
Pre or Post have anything to do with this?  
 
Thanks
Jason 
 

My bad....I'm using a Focusrite Scarlett 8I 6. It's a pretty good interface however. Not the absolute best, but better than decent.
I hope I can solve this issue. It's not so bad for me since I'm used to it, but when I have other people over to record it's really distracting to them so I end up recording them with dry headphones...functional, but certainly not ideal.
Thanks scook...I really appreciate the help 
Jason

jason216
Scook...I don't have plug ins on the channel or on any of the busses or the main. so that's out of the way.....Everything is absolutely clean. In an "armed" track...If I turn off the echo (the now grey square in Sonar) and just talk...it is dry as expected...If I turn the echo on (blue square)...the latency issue appears...with that said...lol

I assume there are no plug-ins on any track as PDC affects all tracks/buses. But I think it s a combination of too high a buffer setting and monitoring both direct and DAW at the same time for the recording track. I believe the focusrite has control software, similar to a software mixer, if not it must have a way to adjust the direct signal and signal return from the DAW. If you intend to monitor the recording signal through the DAW, you cannot monitor the direct signal too without experiencing an echo. The direct signal will always hit the hardware outputs before the DAW. If you want to monitor the recording signal through the DAW, the tracks should make no sound without input echo is enabled.
 

jason216
I found an asio panel but the options available are different than you stated 
it says input 11.3 msec 500 sample
          output 16.3 msec 721 samples
Those are the current numbers at 5 ms. I set the buffer length inside the aiso panel drop down to 5 ms  (I moved it from 10 ms, the default setting, and I'm not sure if I'll have drop out issues at 5ms as I haven't record enough yet to see. But the latency issue is pretty much the same 
If I can figure out how to put a pic here that might help

A round trip of 27ms is too high for monitoring through the DAW. 10ms should be workable as long as the direct signal is not mixed with the same signal coming from the DAW.

The MixControl software should be able to route the input signal anywhere you want.

Try uninstall mix control.
Reboot
Install latest.
Reboot.
Set to defaults everywhere in mix control. Set it up again and save to hardware.

Don't do ASIO4ALL ever...

Nevertheless it show be extremely low in terms of latency. The other thing is to get out a copy of latencymon.

This tutorial is the best I have seen talking about MixControl. It is 15 minutes, but worth the time.
 
Short answer to your question is, yes, you can do this. In MixControl the label at the top of each fader is what the input is to that channel (Anlg 1 is dry, FX (Anlg 1) has compression/EQ baked if used). In MixControl, you can send whatever (Mix 1) to any monitor point. These all are done by clicking the "Input FX" button in the middle left and selecting "Router."
 
For what you are doing, you want the mix set up to listen to the DAW, and add processing to the rest of the mix. To do this, do not echo the armed track in SONAR, in fact, mute it - that counts as a "DAW" signal and you do not want to hear it twice. Now your mix has DAW output + FX on input -> Send "Mix 1" to monitor/output of your choice.
 

1. Be sure the top of the first faders read "Anlg 1" and "Anlg 2" (this is going to SONAR, dry signals)
2. Mute those inputs on the armed tracks inside SONAR (to prevent slap back echo)
3. Tailor mix/FX/reverb, send Mix 1 to monitors

The recorded signal will be dry.
 
   Also important, on the "Reverb Send" tab, do not send the DAW output to it (only Anlg 1/2)... otherwise you will hear reverb thinking that track is wet, when it is not.
 
   Another quick way to check this is to select "Routing Preset" -> DAW Tracking.
 
   Once you have configured the above, File->Save to Hardware (I have a Saffire, and "think (hope?)" this is on the Scarletts as well).
 
   From that point, you will only need to use the "Routing Preset" button to do this again.
       "Routing Preset" -> Ultra Low Latency Tracking (assigns Mix 1 set above to outputs)
       "Routing Preset" -> DAW Tracking (listens to the DAW only and sends to outputs)
 
   You can get more complex than this, but that is the crux of it.