Latency problem

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2011/08/22 13:37:24 (permalink)

Latency problem

I have just upgraded to Sonar X1 on Win7 and getting to grips with it over Sonar 8.5 on Win XP.
 
The problem I am having is latency.  At 256 samples I get a reported latency in my M-Audio Delta66 of 5.8mSecs using ASIO.  The problem is, it certainly doesn't deliver that sort of latency when I play it along with a track playback or when recording.  When playback or recording stops, then its fine. As soon as I hit the transport Playback button, it reverts to something unacceptable.
 
I have tried WDM and its no better and has the same characteristics - soon as I hit playback or record, the latency dives.
 
All suggestions welcome!
 
post edited by Paul881 - 2011/08/22 13:39:30

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re:Latency problem 2011/08/22 14:55:47 (permalink)
    Latency comes from two sources:
    -The audio interface
    -Latent plugins
     
    Sonar has automatic plugin delay compensation (automatic PDC).
    If you have a latent plugin assigned anywhere in the project, Sonar delays all other tracks (by the amount of plugin latency... to maintain sample accurate sync.
    The solution is to either avoid using latent plugins while tracking... or to temporarily disable PDC while tracking.
     
    When playing/monitoring in realtime thru software, you're dealing with round-trip latency.
    IOW, if your M-audio audio interface is set to a 256-sample ASIO buffer size, your round-trip latency is more likely ~12ms (which would feel sluggish).
    The solution in this case is to use the smallest (64-sample) ASIO buffer size.
     
    Round-trip latency is the sum of the following:
    -ASIO input buffer
    -ASIO output buffer
    -A/D and D/A converters
    -The audio interface driver's hidden safety buffer
     
    The best units yield ~5ms total round-trip latency at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k.
    Your Delta 66 should be right in this realm.

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Kalle Rantaaho
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    Re:Latency problem 2011/08/22 14:56:02 (permalink)
    Have you eliminated the possibility that SONAR is using your integrated soundchip for something?
    Make sure the Delta is both Playback and Recording Timing Master and that both input and output drivers are Deltas.

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    Paul881
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    Re:Latency problem 2011/08/22 16:05:36 (permalink)
    Thanks guys.  I have reduced my buffer to 64 samples and I'm getting a latency of 1.9mSecs @ 44.1k which is an improvement over 256 which was the default.

    But TruePiano still feels sluggish compared to my Sonar 8.5 on win XP using 384 samples and latency of 5.8mSecs.  And its definately slower on playback than when the transport  is idle.

    It's correctly picking up my Delta66 drivers for both input and output, recording and playback.

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