Latency problems with Fast Track R8 in Sonar 8 Producer

On Options/Audio/Advanced I´m trying to change device on "Record Latency Adjustment (samples)" to my M-audio Fast Tarck R8, but Sonar can´t apply this change. The system show me two options: 1. ASIO4ALL v2 (2 in, 3 out) (my onboard audio interface), and 2. ASIO4ALL M-Audio (4 in, 4 out) (my Fast Track R8), when I set up the second option, the system don´t apply the change (without error messages) and my lantency stay with an amazing delay. I can´t record in this way!

Other question. When I turn off fast track and go to use the onboard device, the Sonar is applying another time and another pich with the tracks that I´ve had recorded with fast track. Why?

PS.: All configuration that ASIO needs to work correctly is done, with M-audio device or onboard device.

System config:
Windows 7 64bit Ultimate
Dell Studio 1450, C2D, 6GB, Intel Chipset

How could I resolve the problems? Thanks!

http://www.m-audio.com/in...tabs   

You should download and use the proper drivers first before doing anything. Remove ASIO4all you do not need it. There's the link.

Fog


go into audio in's / out  and untick anything that isn't the fast-track.. then apply.. only then can you select the m-audio one

with other things ticked.. the fast-track asio driver can't be selected

no point to use asio4all if the m-audio drivers are up to date..

Thanks for help, but I did this and without solution!!!

What you think about JohnyV soluction?

UNSCARRED

Fog


go into audio in's / out  and untick anything that isn't the fast-track.. then apply.. only then can you select the m-audio one

with other things ticked.. the fast-track asio driver can't be selected

no point to use asio4all if the m-audio drivers are up to date..

Thanks for help, but I did this and without solution!!!

What you think about JohnyV soluction?

I think he is 100% right and that should sort your problem.

Hes right you need the up todate Drivers from the link he sent you

Ininstall the assio4all and install the ones from the link he sent you.

He has helped me in the past and knows exactly what hes on about

Norrie

It seems you still don't understand.

Do NOT USE ASIO4ALL. it is not really ASIO it is a wrapper for WDM dorvers so the system thinks thay are ASIO drivers.

Download ASIO drivers from the M-Audio website - infact if you run the M-Audio installer again there is probably an ASIO option to choose anyway. Usually M-Audio installers offer a choice of WDM/KS and/or ASIO. You can choose both or one or the other.

mudgel


It seems you still don't understand.

Do NOT USE ASIO4ALL. it is not really ASIO it is a wrapper for WDM dorvers so the system thinks thay are ASIO drivers.

Download ASIO drivers from the M-Audio website - infact if you run the M-Audio installer again there is probably an ASIO option to choose anyway. Usually M-Audio installers offer a choice of WDM/KS and/or ASIO. You can choose both or one or the other.

Hi mudgel, thanks for reply. I understood the diference of ASIO4All and ASIO. WDM Software isn´t working good as I need. And the driver downloaded in M-audio website doesn´t have ASIO options on install!!! So, where can I find this software (ASIO)?

Thanks for help!!

what ? the drivers ? the asio panel ?

the buffers setting for it are within the asio panel probably IF it's like the 1010LT

the asio panel is accessible from sonar AFTER you have applied asio mode. (or via the icon next to the clock on the right / bottom of the screen in the task bar)

and the latest drivers are here  http://www.m-audio.com/in...support&tab=driver

Kalle Rantaaho

UNSCARRED


Thanks Fog. This steps I did with ASIO4All, I gonna try ASIO now! Do you know where can I find it?

As mentioned a few times already: M-Audios drivers can be downloaded from M-Audios web-site (et least should be :o/ ).

Thanks Fog and Kalle for help, but let´s take a look! In audio options on Sonar, when I click on "ASIO PANEL" when Sonar is configured in ASIO mode, nothing happens! And the icon of ASIO in task bar don´t appear. I think that I need M-audio drivers and ASIO SDK installed on system to do this that you supose to me. Just M-audio drivers, don´t work! I need ASIO drivers to.

Thank you guys, I don´t know what I should do without your tips! Sorry about english, I´m learning yet!!

Take a deep breath and do this
UNINSTAL ASIO 4 all ( OK you did it good )
Then download the driver I highlighted which is M audios latest driver that will be ASIO.
You may want to un install older versions of the drivers first so as to have a clean install.
Install the new drivers. Do not plug in the interface ( USB ) until the install ask you too.
Re-boot ( even though they do not say this , do it anyways)
Go to the windows control panel and Audio devices and check that the M Audio is the device showing. Make sure the proper ins and outs are selected. (Mine defaulted to SPDIF once and so no sound)
Go to the M Audio Icon and look under "About" and make sure the version you downloaded and firmware are correct.
Make note of the Latency setting. It will automatically set it self to either 128 or 256. This is normal, don't worry about it at this point.
Now open Sonar and under Audio options/ Advanced choose ASIO, re start Sonar.
Now under Audio Options/ Drivers make sure that ONLY the M Audio is the inputs and output showing. Sometimes they only show as odd numbers.
 Sonar automatically sets all the buffers, Latency etc.  and I find the default settings are OK in 80% of what I do so I leave them alone.

If you want to test your Round trip Latency download this handy tool
http://centrance.com/downloads/ltu/

One must remember that Soanr adjusts your playback to line up with what your recording even if the latency is to high to use for real time exfs.

To test if this is working run a cable from an output to an input . Playback and re-record a percussive track like a kick drum and see if the 2 tracks line up under a zoom.

johnnyV


Take a deep breath and do this
UNINSTAL ASIO 4 all ( OK you did it good )
Then download the driver I highlighted which is M audios latest driver that will be ASIO.
You may want to un install older versions of the drivers first so as to have a clean install.
Install the new drivers. Do not plug in the interface ( USB ) until the install ask you too.
Re-boot ( even though they do not say this , do it anyways)
Go to the windows control panel and Audio devices and check that the M Audio is the device showing. Make sure the proper ins and outs are selected. (Mine defaulted to SPDIF once and so no sound)
Go to the M Audio Icon and look under "About" and make sure the version you downloaded and firmware are correct.
Make note of the Latency setting. It will automatically set it self to either 128 or 256. This is normal, don't worry about it at this point.
Now open Sonar and under Audio options/ Advanced choose ASIO, re start Sonar.
Now under Audio Options/ Drivers make sure that ONLY the M Audio is the inputs and output showing. Sometimes they only show as odd numbers.
Sonar automatically sets all the buffers, Latency etc.  and I find the default settings are OK in 80% of what I do so I leave them alone.

If you want to test your Round trip Latency download this handy tool
http://centrance.com/downloads/ltu/

One must remember that Soanr adjusts your playback to line up with what your recording even if the latency is to high to use for real time exfs.

To test if this is working run a cable from an output to an input . Playback and re-record a percussive track like a kick drum and see if the 2 tracks line up under a zoom.

Thanks JohnnyV, I think that latency problem is fixed! I will try this cable test, and now I have another problem: Fast Track R8 + Berhinger CU-1 together!

Thank you guys, you awesome!!!

What the flying Beagle  ( great picture) means is under ASIO you cannot have 2 interfaces.  There are pleny of threads to explain why USB mikes won't work with Sonar.

yes, usb mics can work (and I am NOT dissing their quality!).  but not inASIO mode unless there are drivers for them in ASIO (which usually there aren't) AND if they have a headphone output on them (some of them do now).

but you WILL get latency between the USB mic and the fast track and you will also likely have sync problems for larger recorded clips or tracks.

right - it's ok to record in MME and switch to ASIO for mixing - except for latency during recording which is what the OP was having problems with.  MME will give high latency - it's inherent to the protocol.

Fog


but with the playback master being an asio based card ,it's not a big issue.. as oppsed to the onboard. hard to explain unless you've used such a setup. the difference you notice straight away.

like before I wrote that guide. people who'd never used / owned or setup things saying "x-y and z" about it.. based on not even owning the thing.. or even though they personally couldn't set it up= doesn't work

I thought I had proved it works via the guide. thats the whole point...

as I already stated. the easier route IS to use a mic via the card.. but adversely it's not impossible to setup a USB mic also

Paul - I'm trying to understand what you're saying here because it doesn't make sense to me.  are you saying you can use an ASIO driver for output but use MME for input at the same time?  for example (in your explanation) using a Delta 1010 for output in ASIO at the same time you're recording with the Samson CU03 which will need to be in MME mode?
 
I cannot understand that.  there's only one driver mode you can choose - you can't choose MME for input and ASIO for output.
 
What I keep saying in this thread and others is that you have to use the USB mic in MME driver mode.  so when you're recording you're using MME driver mode for simultaneous recording and playback so you can hear your backing tracks to sing along with.  even if you have a delta 1010, it will be playing back in MME driver mode during your recording using the samson usb mic.  that's where the latency will occur between the mic and the playback soundcard and that's where the clocks between the samson mic and the 1010 will be out of sync.
 
so I *think* we're talking about 2 different scenerios.  I'm talking about monitoring DURING recording.  you seem to be talking about playback for mixing.  is that not the case?  or am I missing your point?