Latency thoughts?

What do you think of these latency results?

I used to pretty much always be on time or early..... but now, I do tend to run "fashionably late"...



As far as audio latency... if I can't hear it, I don't worry over it. 

LOL.....I'm enjoying my morning coffee and having a pretty good time using
my music PC on-line. It handles this forum perfectly. I've never been able to say that about
this place. Not one single issue.
IE9 32 bit on a 64 bit machine and it's smooth as silk.

" used to pretty much always be on time or early..... but now, I do tend to run "fashionably late"... " Herb people are
probably surprised. I don't know why but think they probably are. Just think how much stuff you never hear and don't
think about. :)

Mike...huh?


Well there sure are a lot of numbers in that screenshot. I know to check that 64 box and to set the slider
on that UA-101 to that little triangle pointer at the 6 and those two boxes.

I think that "mixing latency" that is 7.0 ms is like telling me I'm hearing the sound from the monitors as if I were
sitting 7 feet away. Much farther away and I may not be able to play in time with what I hear.

I'm pretty sure that some can get much closer...lol...or ms down to like 2. I've never seen below 7.

What do you think of these latency results? 27.3ms 1311samples.

I'd say that's pretty bad. I'm getting a little better results with my samples set to that amount, but I can't set them exactly to match yours so it's a little different.

I have my Play/Record I/O set to 512. My sound card buffer set to 128 samples. Midi playback buffer set to 500ms. My project settings are 48kHz/24bit. I'm getting a reported RTL of 9.8ms and the funny thing is ... I don't feel it. Normally, I can't stand anything more than 5 ~ 6ms.

I've gotten in to the habit of freezing every track. I set my 'Bounce' settings to 32bit so dithering doesn't come in to play.

I have a project now with 16 audio and 2 synth tracks, all frozen, and I can track and monitor with effects a lead guitar part.

I hate to say anything because I get accused of being negative all the time ... but ... something feels different in X2. The Reported RTL doesn't seem to be as accurate as it used to be. To clarify, it seems I'm getting less actual latency with a higher Reported RTL.

Hell ... I PM'd Beepster about this ... he can confirm I'm not pulling this out of my ars*, I had one project where I had my sound card buffers set to 512 ... forgot about it ... and I had zero latency. I discovered it when I added the LP-64 EQ. My project started popping and crackling so I went in to raise my buffers and that's when I realized they were at 512.

Something is not right. I'm not saying it's Sonar, it could very well be the old drivers for my Fast Track Ultra. It sucks that they keep the Mac drivers current but have ditched the Windows drivers for years now. But anyway, I'm noticing a difference in that area in X2.

Maybe it has something to do with the way they updated the engine to support 384kHz now? The higher your sample rate, the lower your latency.

Another thing to be aware of ... they tweaked the LP-64 EQ and in my opinion broke something. I could run my projects at 128samples with no problems if I had the LP-64 EQ in there. (I actually started using it since they fixed the drop-out problem with it.) Since the A patch ... I can't use it again. I can set my buffers to 768 and it still causes my projects to pop and crack.

But who am I to say anything ... I apparently don't do my research on these things. I guess 14 hours a day, every day isn't enough.

Those numbers look kind of odd to me, Michael.
Especially the output. I'm curious as to where all that overhead is coming from. Is this typical for a USB device, or is something else causing it?
Just for reference, here's what I normally see:




If I switch the sample rate to 48000, the numbers are proportionally lower, as one would expect.
Buffers are set to 256 in the sync page.
At 27ms, you are no doubt hearing a delay. When I cross that 20ms line, I can hear it enough to start getting annoying.

Would that be 20-40% better?

mike_mccue


Knowing that my 0.005 seconds is really only 0.003 seconds longer than what everyone calls "zero" makes the situation almost 50% better than it would seem if "zero" were really zero. 

 

Isn't 50% better than zero, still zero?
 

Wow Michael, I think you can definitely do better than that. And if not, it may be time for a new card.

Just for the record....here's my stock Dell Inspiron settings using a Realtek HD with ASIO4ALL.
 It's 16/44, but still pretty good for a stock box.



HD link: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/Sonar%26Asio4allSettings.JPG
 
This is one of my DAW boxes:



HD link: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/Sonar%26AsioDAWSettings.JPG
 
I can actually get down to 32 with that box, but there is no need as I notice no difference using 64 samples.

That 7 seconds must be killing you with a 27.3 round trip....man, we so gotta sort you out one of these days.

-Danny

Whats even worse, I'm getting better results with that Realtek and the Echo card I showed you was a card I bought in like 1990 something. I have 3 of them and they still work great to this day. Before you wipe it clean, maybe invest in a better interface bro.

Seriously, I'd say check out the Echo Audiofire stuff. Either the Audiofire 8 or the 12. I have both of those too and they work really great. Then there's always the RME FF 400 which works well too. I have the 800 but you probably won't need all the stuff in that anyway and it's a bit pricey.

All my buds that had some sort of Roland/Cake interface have gotten rid of them because they just didn't seem to perform that good. 2 of my buds just grabbed the Layla I showed you off Ebay for like $100. You need a pci slot for it, but man, it's a killer card with converters that are still great today considering when it came out. It was like $800 new. That interface you have should be good...but if it were me personally, I'd definitely wipe THAT slate clean and go with Echo or RME. Really affordable and killer quality.

-Danny

took you long enuff* baps.









*latency pun

2nd funniest post evah.

xacto

Spacey,

RME Babyface. $749 @ Sweetwater. Cannot go wrong with that unit if that is your price range.

Bub

You're either lying, used photoshop or just not using it right...

No sir. That's exactly what my Properties screen looks like.