Lawrence Welk Show production

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2018/05/27 02:32:02 (permalink)

Lawrence Welk Show production

I was trying to decide how they produced the later Lawrence Welk shows. There seems to be a point where, to me, that most of the elements were filmed separately and then stitched together. The band; either led by Welk or George Cates. The staged vocals. The audience listening or dancing. And finally Welk standing alone with baton in hand making comments between songs. It seems like they were all unrelated in time and space.
 
I've been meaning to get opinions about this but kept forgetting until I saw the "One Toke" post. I've looked online a few times, but have never been able to find any production details.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/27 12:13:45 (permalink)
    "Wanderful. Wanderful". I grew up with many Sundays at Grandma and Grandpa's house with good ol' Lawrence and crew on TV. For a young kid, it wasn't my cup-o-tea by any stretch. Too bad in some ways. He had great musicians. I always wonder about those guys/gals in the background. Not always getting their names mentioned, but a real honor to go through life telling your grandkids, or new friends,  that you were in Lawrence Welk's band on TV. You had to be good.
     
    Back to your question, I can only give an opinion (no professional first-hand knowledge) as you requested. I would say most is live takes, with some occasional editing as necessary. The magic of TV. The link below has some actual mistakes when Lawrence or a performer speaks a word incorrectly during an introduction and then repeats the word correctly. They could have edited it out and the introduction redone but did not. There is no reason to doubt that this show could have been done in one take. After all these are real professionals involved. On the other hand, with TV having timing constraints for commercials and 60-minute time limit, they may have had to use some editing as needed.  So they could easily set up each song as a take, and do the intro's separately. Bottom line....I believe this was mostly done in one take, but I don't know for sure.  On the other hand, today, the production would probably be heavily edited just because that's how it would be done today.  
     
     

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/27 13:37:21 (permalink)
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    "Wanderful. Wanderful". I grew up with many Sundays at Grandma and Grandpa's house with good ol' Lawrence and crew on TV. For a young kid, it wasn't my cup-o-tea by any stretch.



    Me too, My Grandma had to have her Lawrence Welk show on as bad as little master Ronald, as she always called me, had to see his Monkeys or Batman. It's a wonder I'm here today as I could have slit my wrists every time I had to suffer that show as a 7 year old. - In black and white no less!
     
     
     
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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/27 17:27:45 (permalink)
    No Lawrence Welk for me when I was at my grandparent's house.  It was professional wrestling with the likes of Haystacks Calhoun.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/27 22:24:12 (permalink)
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    No Lawrence Welk for me when I was at my grandparent's house.  It was professional wrestling with the likes of Haystacks Calhoun.




     That was my grandma. The other one was LW watcher.
     
     

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/27 22:25:06 (permalink)
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    I was trying to decide how they produced the later Lawrence Welk shows. There seems to be a point where, to me, that most of the elements were filmed separately and then stitched together. The band; either led by Welk or George Cates. The staged vocals. The audience listening or dancing. And finally Welk standing alone with baton in hand making comments between songs. It seems like they were all unrelated in time and space.
     
    I've been meaning to get opinions about this but kept forgetting until I saw the "One Toke" post. I've looked online a few times, but have never been able to find any production details.




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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/27 23:13:42 (permalink)
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    No Lawrence Welk for me when I was at my grandparent's house.  It was professional wrestling with the likes of Haystacks Calhoun.




     
    I remember the Indian wrestler (can't remember the name) he'd be losing the fight and then miraculously do his war dance and beat the crap out of the opponent.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/28 02:44:23 (permalink)
    I liked the blond piano player that jammed like she drank a case of red bull before she played the boogie-woogie.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/28 02:48:05 (permalink)
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    I liked the blond piano player that jammed like she drank a case of red bull before she played the boogie-woogie.


    That would be Castles....let me check quick...Jo Anne Castle. She always seemed like a bit of an outlier to me, in a good way. 

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/28 03:01:02 (permalink)

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/28 04:27:40 (permalink)
    Sorry, but... since my parents insisted we watch LW back then, this is most likely why simple but original jingles are always playing in my head all the time.
     
    When I was old enough to realize how silly the LWS was I stopped watching. Apparently too late tho.... please make it stop!
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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/28 12:05:22 (permalink)
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    Sorry, but... since my parents insisted we watch LW back then, this is most likely why simple but original jingles are always playing in my head all the time.
     
    When I was old enough to realize how silly the LWS was I stopped watching. Apparently too late tho.... please make it stop!


    It could be worse. You ever been to Disney's "Its A Small World" ride?

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/28 16:00:45 (permalink)
    "When I was old enough to realize how silly the LWS was I stopped watching. Apparently too late tho.... please make it stop!"
    Please spell out 'Lawrence Welk Show' because 'LWS' refers to 'Lawrence Welk Syndrome', which you seem to display in its most aggressive form. There is no cure, but there is hope....
     
    "It could be worse. You ever been to Disney's "Its A Small World" ride?"
     
    Good Gravy! Don't tell me you suffer from both LWS and IASWS! You should write a book while still capable: "Surviving Against All Odds". 

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/28 16:02:05 (permalink)
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    Yep, "Flowers on the Wall". Her signature tune.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/29 16:49:09 (permalink)
    See the comments from Roy Rising here:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/rec.audio.pro/oTaM3eutPak
    "When I joined the show, most of the numbers were pre-recorded. Slowly, Mr. Welk recognized the vitality of live performance and liked my work. In my third season most numbers were live, pre-recording was reserved for a few specific performers, plus large "production numbers" that would be more difficult to capture live.
    I mixed the Welk show for three seasons ~ '71-'73. During that time EV 666s were replaced by RE15s. The 635A was my hand mic of choice and there were Beyer M-160s on the booms."
     
     
    For the entire run, musical numbers were divided fairly evenly between prerecorded lip- and finger-sync performances and those recorded live on film or tape. Generally, the big production numbers featuring dancing and singing performances were recorded earlier in the day or the day before, often at famous recording studios in and around nearby Hollywood, while the more intimate numbers were recorded live on tape or film.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/29 20:07:40 (permalink)
    "See the comments from Roy Rising here:..."
     
    Thanks, Ham N Egz. Exactly the sort of info I am looking for.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/29 22:47:42 (permalink)
    "I've been meaning to get opinions.."
     
    Well I thought that's what you wanted. I won't waste my time in the future with you.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/29 23:23:34 (permalink)
    Ken,
     
    I think rbecker was being sincere giving information unless I missed something. Was a crazy era and sometimes takes a few decades to sort it all out objective when passions have died down and we can look back without anger. Comment not so much on the technical stuff.
     
    Back in the 60's era of us hippies, drug addicts, LSD explorers, Lawrence Welk was a symbol of the clueless "establishment". Only one step up and more antiseptic than Merl Haggard when Merl did his Okie from Muscogee track.
     
    Nobody hated Lawrence, but the underground considered him as an ignorant pawn that probably got stoned on wine, but never experienced the transcendental rush of a belly full of mushrooms. He could get forked up with the rest of the band on alcohol, but we were criminals getting high on our drugs of choice.
     
    We condemned his washed out covers of pop songs. Either nowhere near the original hit or not covering the real hits. No acid rock to be had.
     
    One Toke Over the Line rendition by the clean singers is an incredible screw up in the context of the time. If there had been internet then, this clip would have gone viral in celebration.
     
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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/30 15:46:59 (permalink)
    "I think rbecker was being sincere giving information unless I missed something. ..."
     
    I am simply gathering information regarding Lawrence Welk. Be it an opinion or best guess or actual documentation from someone in-the-know, I accept and appreciate it all. I get curious about things that a lot of folks don't get curious about, and then go about finding the best answers I can. I have a notepad near my chair used to jot down things to research. The most recent? From a day or two ago: "Baseball: What is a 'Seeing Eye' hit?"
     
    I took a jazz arranging course in my university days, and the instructor (whom I got along with very well, both of us being trombonists) chided me because my arrangement of "Who's Sorry Now" sounded "...Like Lawrence Welk...", to which I replied "Well, he has more money than either of us will ever have.", to which Jack said "You got me there...".
     
    I may make a joke now and then - Lawrence Welk is a tempting target - but I have nothing but respect for L.W. and anybody who makes it in the music industry, an accomplishment I cannot claim for myself. I need to admit that I still watch L.W. from time-to-time on public TV, mostly for the Zeitgeist. A different time for many of us.
     
    And thank you all who reply to my questions.

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    Re: Lawrence Welk Show production 2018/05/31 05:21:29 (permalink)
    Took me a long time to realize in retrospect the multi level talent and genius of the guy.  What it required to put it together and keep it together for as long as he did. We always saw him as the show's band leader, but evidently a gifted musician in his own right.
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