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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/23 15:22:06 (permalink)
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But I kept hearing how Cubase had the best MIDI capabilities and the thought of becoming a Cubaser did cross my mind from time to time.

 
The Midi stuff, great notation, Colours, handling of video [any where on the time line] are worth the investment of C7 [for me]
Have a good nose around the preferences, plenty going on. If you use notation, the zoom/page % sizes are there - had me stumped
for a while.
Having used Cakewalk for such a long time, I thought it might be hard work learning Cubase.
But with the tutorial videos you get, and of course good old Youtube videos - It did not take long to get into the groove.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/23 22:13:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dorism 2013/06/24 03:06:10
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But I kept hearing how Cubase had the best MIDI capabilities and the thought of becoming a Cubaser did cross my mind from time to time.

 
But with the tutorial videos you get, and of course good old Youtube videos - It did not take long to get into the groove.
Enjoy.
 
Garry
 

@ dmbaer - Speaking of getting into the groove - for those who have an all access pass at Groove3, I just watched the whole Cubase 7 - Tips & Tricks Vol. 1 today, so there's even more there to see & learn quickly from. I'll watch Vol. 2 tomorrow.
 
They even have a 30 day fee of $15 for all access now, if you don't want to pay for the full year. 
 
I thought I get started & watch as my version of Q7 arrives in the next day or 2. 
 
I also saw a large set HALion 4 videos there as well.



 
 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/24 03:06:55 (permalink)
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But I kept hearing how Cubase had the best MIDI capabilities and the thought of becoming a Cubaser did cross my mind from time to time.

 
But with the tutorial videos you get, and of course good old Youtube videos - It did not take long to get into the groove.
Enjoy.
 
Garry
 

@ dmbaer - Speaking of getting into the groove - for those who have an all access pass at Groove3, I just watched the whole Cubase 7 - Tips & Tricks Vol. 1 today, so there's even more there to see & learn quickly from. I'll watch Vol. 2 tomorrow.
 
They even have a 30 day fee of $15 for all access now, if you don't want to pay for the full year. 
 
I thought I get started & watch as my version of Q7 arrives in the next day or 2. 
 
I also saw a large set HALion 4 videos there as well.


The groove 3 stuff is excellent. I've been using it over the past month too and its good value.

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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/24 12:49:13 (permalink)
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for those who have an all access pass at Groove3, I just watched the whole Cubase 7 - Tips & Tricks Vol. 1 today, so there's even more there to see & learn quickly from. I'll watch Vol. 2 tomorrow.
 
I also saw a large set HALion 4 videos there as well.




Yes, I've been watching Vol. 1 and quite enjoying it and learning much.  Do you know if we can get to the Steinberg-authored videos prior to getting Cubase installed?  OK, I admit I haven't done any research ... maybe it's obvious how to find them on youtube.
 
I hadn't noticed that Halion 4 videos were present, so thanks for the heads up on that.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/24 12:57:04 (permalink)
Yeah pretty sure they are on YouTube

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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/24 13:12:11 (permalink)
...Do you know if we can get to the Steinberg-authored videos prior to getting Cubase installed?...
 
Not sure on that one.



 
 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/24 16:38:22 (permalink)
The Steinberg YouTube channel
 
http://www.youtube.com/user/SteinbergSoftware
 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/24 20:59:01 (permalink)
Well an email has notified me that my copy of Q7 has arrived.
 
I'll officially pick it up tomorrow. 



 
 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/25 13:55:05 (permalink)
I do not see how this is, "a leap of faith."  Perhaps a, "change of daw."

too many lasers...






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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/28 18:24:39 (permalink)
To all the Cubase 7 beta testers in this thread...
How are the waters?  How is the grass?
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/28 18:48:15 (permalink)
1 month in. No crashes at all. No drop outs. So far everything has been stable, predictable and productive. Really enjoying it so far. 7.0.5 installed without a hitch and running smoothly. The only things I miss from Sonar are the docking windows and smart tools.

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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/28 20:47:18 (permalink)
C7 has been great. Super stable. No latency with vst's - even though my ASIO buffer is 512 (um, how'd they do that). Super useful features (eg., automation editor, note expression). Love that I can see entire project, easily (busses are placed with tracks). Very happy.

You're in an amazing state.

So stay there.
 

 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/29 02:50:54 (permalink)
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Hope you're right, because I pulled the trigger on this one.  The Halion 4 was just frosting on the cake, but I'm looking forward to exploring that as well.  But even without it, $369 seems like a fine price for Cubase 7. 

I wasn't sure if the HALion 4 was just going to be a trial version or if we'd get HALion Sonic SE, 
but I opened my Q software box today, and it had 2 'HALion 4' disks in it as well as 2 other Trial Version disks for other things. So I'm thinking that HAL 4 isn't the trial version but IS the full version included.
 
Now last time I checked, which was just a week ago, HALion 4 costs $350 alone - so one way to look at this super deal is $350 for full HALion 4 and just $20 more for Q6 with the upgrade to 7 for free.  
  
 
I think I just wet myself. 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/29 12:01:57 (permalink)
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I'm curious how the dongle thing works for a mobile rig (laptop).  You must have them hanging off a laptop too?  And if they break, or are misplaced, then what?  You're screwed and can no longer use the software that requires them?


I have four USB keys (older photo, iLok2 not shown) as well and I keep them on a Rocketfish hub - has a suction cup built into it, so it attaches perfectly to a laptop lid. $15 at Best Buy.

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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/29 12:31:34 (permalink)
I just installed an Amazon Basics USB2 hub for my iLok and Waves... I have some slots left. :-)


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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/29 15:31:25 (permalink)
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I'm curious how the dongle thing works for a mobile rig (laptop).  You must have them hanging off a laptop too?  And if they break, or are misplaced, then what?  You're screwed and can no longer use the software that requires them?


I have four USB keys (older photo, iLok2 not shown) as well and I keep them on a Rocketfish hub - has a suction cup built into it, so it attaches perfectly to a laptop lid. $15 at Best Buy.



That's cool. I'm guessing that you very carefully unplug each dongle before removing the suction cup, seeing as things are made fairly cheap these days ?
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/29 17:37:56 (permalink)
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I wasn't sure if the HALion 4 was just going to be a trial version or if we'd get HALion Sonic SE, 
but I opened my Q software box today, and it had 2 'HALion 4' disks in it as well as 2 other Trial Version disks for other things. So I'm thinking that HAL 4 isn't the trial version but IS the full version included.
 



My package arrived on Thurs. and I installed a day later.  I'm happy to say everything was as advertised (even though the box said "free upgrade to 6.5", which gave me pause).  Somehow I was nervous that this was just too good of a price to be real.
 
The install goes mostly pretty smoothly, but not without some incidents that cause concern.  For example, to register your dongle thingee, you have to establish an account.  In setting that up, you are asked for a user ID and an email address and of course a password.  OK, easy enough.  I used my usual music password and it comes back and says "must be at least eight characters".  OK, so you couldn't have said that up front?  Once the account is set up, it's time to log in ... "Enter user ID and password".  Login fails.  WTF?  Send emails to get back what they think my user ID and password are (meaning I have to turn on my non-DAW machine to do the email retrieval).  Turns out that the login screen says "User ID" but they mean email address.  Sheeesh!
 
But once past all that, the stuff seems to install cleanly.  Have had little time to exercise it yet, however.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/29 18:14:38 (permalink)
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That's cool. I'm guessing that you very carefully unplug each dongle before removing the suction cup, seeing as things are made fairly cheap these days ?


Nope, I just pop it off. It's a sturdy hub.

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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/30 13:11:28 (permalink)
So far so good here.
I've been transferring X2 projects into C7 for several days now. Along with VEPro5 / 12G of samples loaded I haven't a crash or the ever popular white screen yet.
 
I have to say I'm really liking Expression Maps, nested folders. Perfect for my large orchestral projects. I can finally start using all my VST3 compatible plugins now too.
I'm finding the engine & performance is very snappy too.
 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/06/30 17:55:46 (permalink)
 
...and says "must be at least eight characters".  OK, so you couldn't have said that up front?  Once the account is set up, it's time to log in ... "Enter user ID and password".  Login fails.  WTF?  Send emails to get back what they think my user ID and password are (meaning I have to turn on my non-DAW machine to do the email retrieval).  Turns out that the login screen says "User ID" but they mean email address.  Sheeesh!
 
I had some of the same issues there.
 
The '8' characters long is quite common, but yes some do give a notice about that when signing up.
 
I found the same trouble with the registration, and as for logging in, I found that I simply had to hit log in a second time.  
 
But now, I can just simply hit 'Reply to Post' and it will take me to the log in page, and it does it now.



 
 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 00:16:55 (permalink)
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So far so good here.
I've been transferring X2 projects into C7 for several days now. Along with VEPro5 / 12G of samples loaded I haven't a crash or the ever popular white screen yet.


Sounds good so far!  When you say "transferring X2 projects into C7", do you mean transferring raw audio/midi data and manually recreating/rerouting/remixing/etc the projects in Cubase?  I assume there is no compatability other than OMF import?
 
I expect to keep Sonar X2 to finish any current projects.  But any new projects, or those still in early stages, will be created in Cubase.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 08:54:20 (permalink)
I'm changing my orchestral templates completely & importing Midi1 files along with a few exported audio tracks.
It's works well. I'll open a project both in C7 & X2 each loaded with instruments/ samples along with VEP5. I can switch between them all including playing audio to double check parts or presets.
I've got 40 projects left to do this way & will eventually complete them all in C7. This is the best way for me to learn the ins/outs of a new program.
By the time X3 is released (I'm guessing in a few months) I'll know which one I'll continue using as my main DAW.
 
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 11:32:24 (permalink)
Wow, you really intend to convert 40 projects!?  My strategy was going to be: finish Sonar projects in Sonar, and go with Cubase for everything new/young for a fresh start.  Maybe I can transfer more than I initially though.  Thank you for the input.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 11:38:59 (permalink)
I've done about dozen already.
The time consuming part is redoing the template between the DAW & VEPro making sure everything jives when creating a new project.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 11:54:04 (permalink)
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I've done about dozen already.
The time consuming part is redoing the template between the DAW & VEPro making sure everything jives when creating a new project.


For me the most time-consuming part would be the mix itself.  So you've helped me see that I can probably convert over everything with little hassle, except for projects close to being fully mixed.
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Re:Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 12:00:47 (permalink)
I'm planning to still use Sonar X2 for my live gig and teaching because I don't want to have to worry about losing or breaking a dongle.  I'm doing all my creative projects in C7 now.  After spending some time setting up templates, when I import the MIDI and audio i'm ready to go.  I've got all my main FX and routings already set up.  I also learned and created my main key bindings so it really has been surprisingly easy.  Also the C7 manual may be the best in the industry IMO.
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Re: Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 12:10:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dorism 2013/07/02 05:16:54
This is a superb example of company interaction and communication.  This is from the KVR forum - not even on the Steinberg forum!
 
 
Hello all, 
Quote:
mixers still comes up in crazy sizes with missing parts. And can't get at the tool bar.
Steinberg:
Do you still suffer from this when you set the mixer to full size in one of your screens? 



Quote:
Control Room fader restores with parts blanked out or weird size.
Steinberg:
Can you please attache a screenshot of this, and what is the resolution of your screen? 
Or can you give a little more details how can I reproduce this? I can't reproduce this on my setup. 


Quote:
Now you only see 5 characters of the track name
Steinberg:
It depends on the zoom level, but yes we have noticed that the font might have increased, we are investigating. 


Quote:
Still have the problem with plugin hiding requiring like 4 clicks to get a plugin to reappear.
Steinberg:
This should be fixed on the next major update. 


Quote:
Shift+select Routing still doesn't work unless all tracks are contiguous.
Steinberg:
Sorry I can not reproduce this one, could you please start Cubase in safe mode and try again? 

etc.. etc.. etc.. 

Best regards, 
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Re: Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 12:34:35 (permalink)
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This is a superb example of company interaction and communication.  This is from the KVR forum - not even on the Steinberg forum!
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Yes indeed!  I even saw a Steinberg rep specifically mention 7.0.6 in the 7.0.5 release thread!  I love it. I'm so done with what is happening here with the secrecy and black-out.  It's a bad feeling.  I really look forward to being on board with a company doing the full opposite, respecting and communicating with their customers.
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Re: Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 17:23:15 (permalink)
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This is a superb example of company interaction and communication.  This is from the KVR forum - not even on the Steinberg forum!
...


Yes indeed!  I even saw a Steinberg rep specifically mention 7.0.6 in the 7.0.5 release thread!  I love it. I'm so done with what is happening here with the secrecy and black-out.  It's a bad feeling.  I really look forward to being on board with a company doing the full opposite, respecting and communicating with their customers.




As a former Cubase user of many years and a current Wavelab owner, I would just advise to not let that one example fool you into thinking that it's somehow representative of how Steinberg interacts with customers on their own forums.  If you think the support here on the X2 forum has gotten bad (and it has), you're in for a big surprise - Steinberg is still far worse IMO.

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Re: Leap of faith: From Sonar X1d to Cubase 7 2013/07/01 22:39:53 (permalink)
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As a former Cubase user of many years and a current Wavelab owner, I would just advise to not let that one example fool you into thinking that it's somehow representative of how Steinberg interacts with customers on their own forums.  If you think the support here on the X2 forum has gotten bad (and it has), you're in for a big surprise - Steinberg is still far worse IMO.




So far (6 weeks) my experience has been exactly the opposite.
 
Forum:  I have received very generous, friendly and in-depth help from users.  I've been sent instrument patch scripts and walked through several functions. I have found no sniping or disrespectful posts.  Steinberg support is constantly on the forum helping and saying things like "that bug should be fixed in the next release" or "that feature is slated to be added in the .5 release".  But get this... Steinberg staff are doing the same things in Gear Slutz and KVR!!!
 
Support:  I have received a reply to my support emails on the same or next business day without fail so far.  If required they will arrange a time to call me.
 
 
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