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Learning curve advice
OK I have used Cakewalk since the MIDI only apprentice version 1 for windows. I found it always very intuitive and straightforward. I have done every upgrade through pro audio and then into SONAR. And each update was an easy learning curve for new features and changes. But now that we are into X1 and X2, I am lost. I cannot get my work done. Is there a turorial that explains how things have changed? I can use SONAR 8.5 with ease, but I have great difficulty doing the smallest things in x1. I cannot use audio snap or v-vocal because it works so differently and I have not yet had the eureka moment where I understand the paradigm shift. It can take me an hour just to figure out how to add a new transient marker or how to move one. I cannot figure out how certain tools work or get engaged or why they do not engage when I think I have selected them. I have tracks changing colors, bins shutting off and numerous other things and have no clue how these things happened or how to undo them. The other day I was unable to move a clip from one track to another until I totally removed all envelopes, it just could not figure out how it could be made to move. I have worked through parts of SONAR POWER X1 and have searched the help file, but evidently I do not even know what the terminology is for these different features because I am not finding the information I am looking for. There is a real sense that my worst enemy is that I already understand how to use 8.5 and things in X1 operate very differently. It also did not help that I lost my house to a flood when X1 came out and I had it for almost 6 months before even installing it. What made my audio track go dark gray, what does that signify that it is dark grey and how do I return it to its former state? Why is it that once I have audio snap on a clip that all non audio snap editing options are shut off and I cannot figure out how to get to them without undoing everything I accomplished with audio snap enabled? In fact I am finding that often once I choose to edit anything in a track that I have entered a one way street and cannot edit anything else about that track no matter what I do. This is puzzling to me. It feels so strange to have gone from highly comeptent to all thumbs.
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 11:28:15
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As far as what Im getting, the little Clips/Audio Transients/etc... button on track view is an easy way to toggle in and out of Audio Snap when working on a track. You have to make sure its selected correctly to what your working on and then click on the clip itself when working on the track. Theres allot of videos out there to check out. I did a fast simple one a while ago for someone thats kinda gives you an idea on how I use it Id check Cakes University out on it as well
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 11:50:04
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There are x1/x2 tutorials for sale in the cake store. If you have the groove 3 freebee for a month that cake gave in its content club, you can watch all the videos there. You just have to go to the cakestore, login and look at the top of your purchase list. Danny
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 12:08:16
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I am beginning to think there might be something funny with my system or the mouse driver. I find that the smart tool changes the very moment I click the mouse. If I try to move a clip that contains an envelope or has an envelop over it, for example, I can engage the move tool but the very second I click the mouse the tool changes to some other tool and all I can do is edit the envelope. The only way I have found to get around it is to remove all envelopes. Then the move tool does not change when I click the mouse. I've tried expanding the clip in the window to find an area where the tool does not change on me once clicked but have not found it.
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 12:20:50
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I don't have an answer for you but I want you to know we feel your pain. Sometimes it takes two or three clicks or just waiting a few seconds and then clicking to get my smart tool to respond. X1 and now X2 still has it's little gremlins lurking around in there. The only suggestion I could come up with is maybe to try adjusting your mouse settings in the Windows control panel. Maybe a slower click setting will help. I hope the bakers are working on some of these fixes as we speak.
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NYSR
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 12:27:08
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digi2ns As far as what Im getting, the little Clips/Audio Transients/etc... button on track view is an easy way to toggle in and out of Audio Snap when working on a track. You have to make sure its selected correctly to what your working on and then click on the clip itself when working on the track. Theres allot of videos out there to check out. I did a fast simple one a while ago for someone thats kinda gives you an idea on how I use it Id check Cakes University out on it as well OK maybe we are getting somewhere. What button are you talking about? I do not see any button that has anything to do with Audio Snap on the track view or in the control bar.
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NYSR
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 12:28:40
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NYSR
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 12:30:28
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And this button might explain my envelope problem. It evidently is a track mode button.
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NYSR
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 12:41:56
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That button seems more important to me now LOL. I need to slow down and find the time to take this paradigm shift slowly. Thank you, I am feeling much better now.
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 14:14:36
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It's called the Event filter button I think most of your problems stem form you being the wrong mode and it's not set to allow you to do the editing you want, like moving tracks/envelopes And to my knowledge, V-Vocal is exactly the same now as it was when it was introduced in Sonar 6
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 14:52:10
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See Track 22, under track name "Guitar" is the button Im refering to that is currently set to "Clips". When working in Audio Snap, I like to have Audio Transient selected. Then when working on a specific Clip, make sure to click on that clip so it is selected Another thing for me is to make sure the Smart Tool is enabled. Its the Star at the upper left corner under "File"
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 14:57:17
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LOL Ignore all the other stuff (Notes, boxes, etc....) on this pic, it was for another thread
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 15:12:48
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Sometimes, it is necessary to take a break and sleep. You can waken with a fresh perspective and resolve the problems.
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 17:18:54
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> "It feels so strange to have gone from highly competent to all thumbs." AMEN BROTHER. 100% feel the same way. I bought X2 and am back to (being a pro in) 8.x. They changed damn near everything. Not to brag, but like many of you, I became an ultra-fast whiz in previous versions, and the new X version UI just had too many changes, and I am like a newbie again? - NO, I can't accept it. I stick with 8.X. And get much work done quickly. Hope my current DAW PC lives on forever...
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Re:Learning curve advice
2013/02/01 17:20:35
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#1 feature request for x3? An option to "restore 8.x GUI behavior". THEN I might buy it. Maybe.
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