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2014/02/16 14:59:45 (permalink)

Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports

Here's a very common problem I encounter.  I have a song with as gentle fade on the master bus during the final (decaying) note.  For example, the piano, guitar, bass, and strings have played the final note.  Piano, guitar, and bass are fading/decaying naturally.  The strings have an automated fader fade.  Master has an automated fader fade.
 
Sometimes when I export, I get a short string sound at the start of the exported wave.  It seems as though the final note of the song is still sounding but gets cut off abruptly.  I try to prevent this by playing the balnk measures at the start of the song before exporting, but that does not always work.
 
Surely there is some way to prevent this.  Ideas?

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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/16 16:18:14 (permalink)
This is caused by unflushed buffers in delay or reverb effects. I avoid it by leaving a couple seconds of silence at the front of the project and just briefly hitting Play before starting the export. Then, when I'm ready to do a "real" final export, I close the project and re-open it. This avoids other problems such as unzeroed MIDI CC values, too.


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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/16 17:07:39 (permalink)
I've had that happen and found that it also does it sometimes when I hit play at the beginning of the track.  I've went to the beginning and hit play (sometimes a couple of times) until it doesn't play the note.  Then it exports fine.  Now I when I'm ready to export I always try to remember to check the playback at the beginning of the recording before I actually export it.

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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/16 17:17:21 (permalink)
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I've had that happen and found that it also does it sometimes when I hit play at the beginning of the track.  I've went to the beginning and hit play (sometimes a couple of times) until it doesn't play the note.  Then it exports fine.  Now I when I'm ready to export I always try to remember to check the playback at the beginning of the recording before I actually export it.


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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/16 18:02:06 (permalink)
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I've had that happen and found that it also does it sometimes when I hit play at the beginning of the track.  I've went to the beginning and hit play (sometimes a couple of times) until it doesn't play the note.  Then it exports fine.  Now I when I'm ready to export I always try to remember to check the playback at the beginning of the recording before I actually export it.  


^ That's exactly what I do.




Me too. Although it is easy to forget.  It would be great if Sonar could automatically and silently flush the buffers either when stopping or starting transport.  I can't think of a reason why this would be desired behavior for anyone.

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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/16 19:04:27 (permalink)
Thanks very much, guys.

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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/16 19:26:10 (permalink)
My favorite way to export remains bouncing to track with everything selected, using audible bounce so I can make sure everything sounds the way it should. Not only can I then drag the final mix wherever I want, when I save the project it saves the mix too.

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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/16 22:43:40 (permalink)
Craig, So you bounce everything to a new stereo audio track, and then just drag that track (wav) out of Sonar to do whatever else you're going to do (e.g., master, burn a CD)?
 
I will have to look in the manual.  I did not realize all the same options existed for bounce as for export (e.g., live input, bit depth, dither).  I will look into this.

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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/16 23:07:28 (permalink)
Hi there folks,
 
in X1 and X2 preferences, Audio -> Playback and Recording "Play Effects Tails After Stopping".
Check that setting.
 
In X3 that setting has been changed, and is now "Always Stream Audio Through FX".
 
Hope that helps.
 
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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/17 00:37:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CoteRotie 2014/02/17 01:21:33
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Craig, So you bounce everything to a new stereo audio track, and then just drag that track (wav) out of Sonar to do whatever else you're going to do (e.g., master, burn a CD)?



Yes, and now that I'm getting more into mastering within Sonar, I'll often do several bounces with somewhat different settings. Then I can set up exclusive solo and toggle between them to hear which one I like best. Again, these all get saved with the project, so the master gets saved with the multitrack...very convenient.

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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/17 01:23:33 (permalink)
That's a great idea, Craig, I hadn't thought of that, but I'll definitely be trying it going forward.
 
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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/17 01:30:17 (permalink)
Craig has dropped that golden nugget a few times now. I think it deserves its own place in Dan's Tips thread. It is an incredibly nice feature, and one that does not readily come to mind until someone mentions it.

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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/17 02:00:05 (permalink)
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Craig has dropped that golden nugget a few times now. I think it deserves its own place in Dan's Tips thread. It is an incredibly nice feature, and one that does not readily come to mind until someone mentions it.



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Re: Left-over Notes at the Start of Exports 2014/02/17 11:44:59 (permalink)
Craig, You get the Platinum Fader Award for this tip.  Thanks!

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