Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang

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2015/03/26 21:38:31 (permalink)

Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang

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Installed and all seemed well. I went to use and the first four or five (most were the 12 string) would cause DP/Sonar to hang.. I am able to exit out but if I try to do anything with the instrument, I get the white screen. I then also have to use task manager to kill the SonarPlt process. I also was able to replicate in a new project where nothing was added except DP. All the other patches work fine in DP... Can anyone else confirm...?? Thanks

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    Doktor Avalanche
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/26 21:56:37 (permalink)
    The way it has been installed it appears non standard, so I'm not surprised , check "Cambridge is here." thread.
     
    However I tried running Sonar as administrator and not running Sonar as administrator and it all worked.
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/26 22:08:37 (permalink)
    Update:
     
    Seems to be related to my "recording" buffer setting.  If I move my buffer up from 48 samples (I tried 256 and 512), the trouble samples do not give me any issue. If I go back down to 48.  The issue returns.. I will consider this an adequate workaround for now. Thanks

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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 00:37:01 (permalink)
    LunaTech:
     
    Confirmed.  I have the same issue on my system.
     
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 02:10:53 (permalink)
    Yeah I have this same problem.  Some of the patches in Les Paul Gold Top Expansion Pack cause Dimension to crash no matter how high I set my ASIO buffer settings. 
     
    My test case wasn't very difficult.  Blank project, add Dimension(audio+midi as separate tracks), drag in a short MIDI clip (some 4-bar rhythm guitar loop, I'm not sure where I got it).  With my normal ASIO settings Sonar/Dimension would crash about half-way through playing the loop using the 12 String Bright patch.  Upping my Focusrite Saffire (first gen) ASIO buffer to 20ms (from 16ms) would let the loop play.  But adding a second copy of Dimension with the Bass 8-String and another copy of the short MIDI Loop (transposed down an octave) would take Sonar down even if I increased the ASIO Buffer Size to 40ms (the highest it will go) this is at 48khz.  I sent one of the fault reports onto Cakewalk.
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 02:53:33 (permalink)
    Yeah, I got the WSOD jumping around between patches too. It went away after restarting Sonar.
    One possible workaround: Load DP, Load one of the Les Pauls, save the project, exit Sonar.
    After that things will probably work normally.
    I haven't had a lot of luck tracking this kind of problem down, no one ever seems to be able to reproduce it, odds are you've got something installed on your machine that Sonar doesn't like and you'll probably never find it.
    That being said, Cakewalk is not the only vendor that has this kind of problem, getting Cubase to work was a complete nighmare. In both cases I suspect the issue has nothing to do with the user level applications and everything to do with the operating system environment.
    LunaTech
    Hello,
     
    Installed and all seemed well. I went to use and the first four or five (most were the 12 string) would cause DP/Sonar to hang.. I am able to exit out but if I try to do anything with the instrument, I get the white screen. I then also have to use task manager to kill the SonarPlt process. I also was able to replicate in a new project where nothing was added except DP. All the other patches work fine in DP... Can anyone else confirm...?? Thanks




    post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/03/27 03:00:11

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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 04:11:32 (permalink)
    I have trouble with the Neck Power Chords patch. It works fine at 44.1/16, but it hangs after a couple of chords at 24/48 and causes Platinum to shut down.
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 09:00:16 (permalink)
    FWIW, I auditioned all of the patches yesterday with no issues (24/48 with 256 buffer)

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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 09:33:32 (permalink)
    They all auditioned fine for me, but when fed some number of chords/long sequence would blow up.  The crashes occurred in Dimension itself, which makes me think it's a bug in the instrument.  Even if the ASIO buffer isn't big enough, software should never crash or lock up.
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 09:36:07 (permalink)
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    They all auditioned fine for me, but when fed some number of chords/long sequence would blow up.  The crashes occurred in Dimension itself, which makes me think it's a bug in the instrument.  Even if the ASIO buffer isn't big enough, software should never crash or lock up.


    Oh I see...yeah I was just auditioning with a controller.

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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 09:51:55 (permalink)
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    I have trouble with the Neck Power Chords patch. It works fine at 44.1/16, but it hangs after a couple of chords at 24/48 and causes Platinum to shut down.



    This is interesting ... when I first installed the GoldTop expansion, I fired up Dim Pro stand-alone to try it quickly from my MIDI keyboard.  When I select 'ASIO Control Panel' from the ASIO menu, I get this:

     
    Dim Pro worked fine stand-alone with the Neck Power Chord program after dismissing this message box.  I exited DPro, fired up S-Plat and added a Dim Pro instance to the project.  The project sample rate remained at 48K.  I selected the Neck Power Chord program and it loaded fine.  The first MIDI keyboard key I pressed gave me a brief burst of the appropriate audio from DPro then went silent with the meters frozen at playback level.  I tried to select another DPro program and got the standard Windows not responding message and chose to kill S-Plat.  The good news is that the S-Plat process actually went away without further intervention.
     


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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 10:05:12 (permalink)
    If this is a question about the DPro minihost settings, the sample rate for the minihost is stored in the registry. I believe the default is 44.1. Here are the keys to the functions in minihost which in all the standalone Cakewalk synths use:
     
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/27 10:14:11 (permalink)
    Great info scook, but it was NOT a question about settings.  My post was intended to be informational about the differences between running stand-alone vs as a plugin inside S-Plat.
     
    The point being that in my example, running stand-alone the program in question didn't cause any problems even though S-Plat crashed while hosting DPro as a plugin using the same program.
     
    I hope the sample rate info isn't clouding things - I included it for the sake of completeness on the outside chance the rest of post is looked at closely.
     
    Here is the interesting part
    I just fired up DimPro stand-alone and pressed F4 to set 48K as the sample rate.  I then loaded the Neck Power Chord program and pressed a MIDI keyboard key.  I got the same brief sound followed by the same stopped responding message.
     
    No need to fire up S-Plat to see this one crash!!
     
    Thanks again scook for the above info.

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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/28 16:32:17 (permalink)
    Try running sonar as administrator. I suspect Dpro is trying to log something and that's when it crashes as log file is stored where it does not have permissions (bad design) so it throws a fit.
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/28 18:14:00 (permalink)
    I do run S-plat as administrator FWIW
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    Re: Les Paul Gold Top Expansio Pack - Some Patches Causing Sonar To Hang 2015/03/28 18:33:19 (permalink)
    Problem report thread is here

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