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Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental (NEW MIX)
Greg Spawton is on record as saying it’s been illegal for progressive rock bands to write about Hobbits since 1979. This means my never ending, and often less than successful project to try write music inspired by E R Eddison’s 1922 fantasy novel “The Worm Ouroborous” is barely legal, but my attorney assures me that the various creatures that inhabit Eddison’s world are not Hobbits and fall outside the scope of such a law. Lessingham’s Theme is an attempt a gentler, orchestrated sound rather than the synth/organ driven stuff I usually turn out. For those interested the guitar is OTS “Steel Strings” the arpeggios are custom patterns in the strum engine. The cellos and violins are Kirk Hunter Spotlight Strings and the woodwinds are from Kirk Hunter Diamond. Drums are Superior Drummer Roots (mallets), the bass is Scarbee Pre Bass and the Piano is NI’s Grandeur. NEW VERSION https://soundcloud.com/goldrybluszco/lessinghams-theme
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/12 21:47:27
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An excellent composition Glyn, I really enjoyed this. I went straight onto Approach to Carce... Another great piece Certainly a different feel to these two than your previous tunes. cheers andy
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/13 06:22:26
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Hi Glyn! Just enjoying this piece (quite a bit actually!). At first it reminded me of some dude here in Canada who various instrumental (and often Celtic) pieces like this - named Dan Gibson. But then you come up with some nice surprises with the percussion and bass. Love the near-mellotron strings! Cello line is beautiful ... love the dissonance snuck in there at the 2:01 mark. Sounds like your music is telling a story. Very Mike Oldfield at times that way. Love to know the story running through your brain ... must be the book themes you reference. Well done. Very near-perfect mix. If I could critique anything, I'm at a loss as to what it is. Very cool. I've never known the story with Hobbit trademarking/copyright protection?! Bizarreses and not precious! Martin
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/13 13:14:15
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Nice piece Glyn! My only critical suggestion would be to vary the dynamics on the strings a bit more, and maybe change the mic positions to be a little further away. One of the biggest weaknesses with Kirk's libraries OOTB is that they can sound very "synthy". Regards, Dan
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/13 13:26:20
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Flagrant Regard I've never known the story with Hobbit trademarking/copyright protection?! Bizarreses and not precious!
Greg Spawton’s comment on Hobbits was of course tongue in cheek when he was discussing the subject matter in Big Big Trains’s songs. The implication being that by the end of the 70’s prog bands references to fantasy novels had become a cliché. Thanks for the kind comments.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/13 13:27:48
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Nice piece Glyn! My only critical suggestion would be to vary the dynamics on the strings a bit more, and maybe change the mic positions to be a little further away. One of the biggest weaknesses with Kirk's libraries OOTB is that they can sound very "synthy". Regards, Dan
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/13 13:30:24
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dcumpian Nice piece Glyn! My only critical suggestion would be to vary the dynamics on the strings a bit more, and maybe change the mic positions to be a little further away. One of the biggest weaknesses with Kirk's libraries OOTB is that they can sound very "synthy". Regards, Dan
Thanks, I may give that a try. Martins comment "Love the near-mellotron strings!" also points to a certain lack of realism.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/13 20:58:24
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Very nice... I likes. The guitar gives me a bit of that 12 string Genesis vibe, with the piano and woodwinds fitting right in. I'm not a big fan of the strings tone itself, but I think the parts are right there. Good stuff.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/14 00:04:02
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yes, the strings, particularly the high pitched ones, sound synthetic, so more reverb perhaps if you are going to keep them, then they will just pleasantly wash away into the ether. I thought the piece itself was a very cool listen, and I love the quirky time signature effect! There are just lots of great musical ideas all over the place in your composition - well done!!! cheers, -Tom
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/14 14:29:21
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Thanks, looks like the strings need a bit of attention! I have started looking at some options including replacing the violins with some from East West Symphonic Gold, If I have sucess I will post the alternate mix in due course.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/14 17:13:10
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Just goes to show, I know nothing, because I thought this was a damn fine piece...
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/14 19:50:22
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synkrotron Just goes to show, I know nothing, because I thought this was a damn fine piece...
Weii I am a synth/keyboards guy and well used to string machiens, mellotrons and whatnot so synthy strings probably sound "normal" to me . But I am willing to take advice on creating a more convincing "real" string part. I have just about got the revised violins done and I will be doing A/B comparisons with fresh ears tomorrow. I like the woody, scratchy sound of the cellos so I think they will stay.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/14 19:58:21
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I enjoyed this composition and if you make the tweaks as suggested by the other comments you have a winner on your hands. Good stuff.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/17 18:51:54
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I am enjoying this as I write, yes the strings do sound a little unreal, but like you I am a synth person so. All round nice piece Glyn, thanks for sharing
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/17 19:06:57
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The song, arrangement and mix all sound great to me. I'm not sure that I would have noticed that the strings sound 'synthy' if I hadn't read the comments but, now that I have read them, I suppose they have a point. However, it doesn't take anything away from my enjoyment of the music.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/17 20:32:45
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/17 20:41:15
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Wookiee I am enjoying this as I write, yes the strings do sound a little unreal, but like you I am a synth person so.
All round nice piece Glyn, thanks for sharing
Thanks - I am still working on a new mix, Changing the Kirk Hunter Spolight violins for a larger East West violin ensemble seems to improve things a little but I am prefering the woody growl I get with the Kirk Hunter Cellos. Also thanks to every one else for their comments.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/17 20:52:59
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Glyn Barnes
Wookiee I am enjoying this as I write, yes the strings do sound a little unreal, but like you I am a synth person so.
All round nice piece Glyn, thanks for sharing
Thanks - I am still working on a new mix, Changing the Kirk Hunter Spolight violins for a larger East West violin ensemble seems to improve things a little but I am prefering the woody growl I get with the Kirk Hunter Cellos. Also thanks to every one else for their comments.
Glyn, It's been my experience that Kirk's stuff blends well with EW libraries, so you aren't wrong in mixing and matching the way it sounds like you are doing. All of the libraries have weaknesses, the trick is figuring out what works when. I tend to start with EWHO, then reach for EWQLSO, 8Dio's Adagio and Adagietto, and finally Kirk's stuff. There are some articulations in Kirk's libraries that I can't find in any of the others, so those are always on tap if I need them. Regards, Dan
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/19 09:12:55
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This stuff is right up my alley. Very nicely done, but like the other commenters, I also noticed the synthetic strings.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/22 12:41:49
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I have uploaded a new mix. The small violin section from Kirk Hunter Spotlight Strings has been replaced by a larger section from EastWest Symphonic Orchestra. I have also used a different IR on the orchestra bus. I think the strings sound a bit more live than before. https://soundcloud.com/goldrybluszco/lessinghams-theme
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/22 12:49:16
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I think it is definitely better. Dan
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/22 14:38:45
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Glyn, you've had astute comments from several members, so you don't need another aging rocker saying ditto. I'll just say that I enjoyed the piece very much, and as a fellow owner of OTS Steel String it was good to hear it put to such good use.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/22 15:59:52
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This is a definite improvement on the string sound.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/22 16:59:13
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Yep, very nice indeed Glyn. String section does indeed sound very much like the real deal. Very impressive
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/22 17:24:06
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Thanks guys, for your kind comments and the constructive input. Philz - Those OTS guitar libraries are the business!
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/22 18:40:17
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Yeah, I think that's definitely an improvement. For me it's a better (and more natural) all-around blend between the strings and acoustic guitar.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/22 19:02:38
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As a longtime prog rock fan, I chuckled at your written intro. I guess Stonehenge is completely out of the question. Seriously, though, I like it as the part of the Ant Phillips genre. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/27 20:20:58
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Really fine piece Glyn. The melodies are uplifting but with hints of darkness, I like that.
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Re: Lessingham's Theme - Instrumental
2017/03/28 01:15:08
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Thoroughly enjoyed this - very professional sounding.
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