ampfixer
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Let's change forum rules
I feel we would all be happier if these forums were restricted to people that buy Cakewalk products. Spammers and lunitards need not apply. What do you think?
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 18:16:34
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I agree. Like Steinberg forums.
Don't know what a lunitard is though.
Might be a good idea to reset the forum somehow, start fresh, registered users only.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 18:21:29
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 18:30:50
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Would you support that the forums be restricted so that only registered owners of Cakewalk software can post? Then non-registered users / prospective customers could view the forums, which I think would be helpful for Cakewalk.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 18:44:27
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Excellent suggestion riojazz!
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 19:03:39
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backwoods
I agree. Like Steinberg forums.
Don't know what a lunitard is though.
Might be a good idea to reset the forum somehow, start fresh, registered users only.
Reset the forum? Does that include post count? What will Bapu say?
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 19:24:51
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+1 : better forum control.
+1 : to open up for non-registered users as well.
I've been to Presonus forum, for example, and asked some questions to decide my purchase decision which is helpful.
At one of the Blender forum, new users must post some friendly posts (equivalent to Song / CH I guess), before they are allowed for regular postings, to prevent spammers.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 19:25:03
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100% in agreement on this and remove membership type it just encourages people to post to keep their status.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 19:31:16
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This is just a thought:
Would it make sense to have a registered users only portion of the forum for posting, and have another parallel forum where prospective users could post questions regarding specific aspects of Cakewalk products prior to purchase?
At the same time, other than the occasional true spam, such as the idiot posts for fake passports and window frames and such, most of the truly obnoxious posts are from past (and some current) owners and users of the products. I guess the Cakewalk admins would have the best sense of overall spammage and the like from non-users - I am not sure it is a large enough issue to warrant messing with the forum, which already has its quirks and foibles.
And, I think a lunitard is a one-piece full body suit leotard (not really, but quite the mental picture there).
I would personally hope that every single available resource at Cakewalk can remain focused on the next delivered software, whatever it is called, so that it can be as battle-tested as possible for us. Maybe after that they could think about doing something with the forum (or staff view enhancements, or step sequencer non-quarter meter bases, etc...)
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 19:36:08
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tbh it's not a lot to do with how the layout of the forum is... more the forum software itself, it's awful and should be replaced.
propellerheads, you have to log in *BUT* you can go on there as a normal person, just not post in the user area of product owners. It shows who owns what also.
even the steiny forum has faults.. signing up for it .. it wouldn't let me even though I have a valid / shop bought version.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 19:37:32
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backwoods
Don't know what a lunitard is though.
Nor me, but I certainly know what a UNITARD is 
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 19:51:02
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I was really frustrated by the Steinberg forum that required I be a registered user. They also required the dongle if memory serves. Now, if the Dongle means you can install on Linux I'd think it was cool.
I prefer groups that are open and accepting. I recognize not wanting to waste time with people who don't really care. I have invested a lot of time trying to understand people's concerns and offer sincere help.
And I love the open community. I get a lot out of being connected to this forum. I'm not sure how much we would gain by closing down our forum.
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mattplaysguitar
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 20:19:24
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You could simply have a 'verified/registered user' status that goes alongside your 'gold member' status or whatever you are.
But as was mentioned, it all depends on the forum software and how flexible it is.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 20:47:32
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I like the idea of having a registered users part of the forum this way users who are demoing sonar can still ask questions in certain parts of the forum.
I would also feel better knowing im helping a user who has actually purchased the product and not borrowing it from a friend or downloading it illegally.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 21:28:09
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Hey how 'bout we let everyone in, but registered Walkers (as in Cakewalkers) are clearly marked.
That way the trolls will be obvious.
And we will still be able to help honest people just asking questions.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/09 21:42:05
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Jimbo88 +1 - if the forum software could do that and if Cakewalk staff was willing / able to make that mark.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 00:32:46
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. ..Hey how 'bout we let everyone in, but registered Walkers (as in Cakewalkers) are clearly marked. That way the trolls will be obvious. And we will still be able to help honest people just asking questions.... I've read that Presonus will be changing their rules to requiring owning a copy of Studio One to post soon. But this idea by 'Jimbo 88' seems best to me. It touches all the bases. +1 
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 01:57:55
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Jimbo 88
Hey how 'bout we let everyone in, but registered Walkers (as in Cakewalkers) are clearly marked.
That way the trolls will be obvious.
And we will still be able to help honest people just asking questions.
+1 to that this forum is still also a marketing tool for cake, so pre-purchase questions from serious people need to be allowed, especially in these days of DAW wars where companies try to get people change DAW software ... nothing against that really ... and it'd sure be helpful to know if the OP is a registered user or not
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 02:04:04
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The Lunitards - great band name.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 02:34:36
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OK the spam is annoying, but its hardly reached epidemic proportions like some forums. One way it could be handled is the first "n" posts of a new member are moderated before they appear on the forum. Is this more, or less work for the mods than cleaning up afterwards?
Trolling is another issue.
On balance I like the rather free and easy atmosphere here and can put up with the occasional spam or godparticle.
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mattplaysguitar
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 02:43:14
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Hey, I said what Jimbo 88 said first! Just not in as clear words as he did. But he gets alllll the glory! Grrrr!!! Haha :p
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 03:38:41
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Steinberg forums do not require a dongle. In fact, Steinberg finally has some products that don't require a dongle, and I'm hoping that it's only the beginning of a trend for them.
I've been on Steinberg forums for ages (though I really on't spend much time there), even before I owned any products.
From what I remember you first need to create a MySteinberg account, but that doesn't mean that you're buying abything. For example, you need to create one in order to download a demo - that doesn't mean you own the product though.
I've just checked and the third step - registering a product - is optional.
See, maybe that's all you need to do - get people to believe that the forums are for registered users only. Spammers will stay away. :P
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 03:44:20
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What insults me is that it seems so easy for spammers to post. For the biggest part of the evening tonight, I couldn't even post, and I'm still having all kind of issues.
Can you imagine how they'd flood those forums if the forum software actually worked?
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 04:12:52
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Yeah, the option that mattplaysguitar (<- see what I did there) and Jimbo88 mentioned would work ok.
A separate "Private Forum" that everyone can read, but only registered users can post to (your login/acct setup requires a product ser#).
That would, at least, be a forum area that's filtered by software owner/not-owner.
We can still offer input to non-owners, but it keeps the "reg users" forum section ~relatively~ clean.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 04:33:41
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Devil's advocate here - How often would we registered users venture in the unregistered forums?
Wait...
Make it: How often would we venture on the unregistered forums if we knew that we'd only find 4 or 5 legitimate questions in a sea of spam?
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 05:32:12
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I know that within vBulletin, you can set limits on what new members can do until they've achieved a certain post count - no posting URL's for example - I wonder whether there are options within the software here that could be used?
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 08:16:46
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I think it's good like it is now.... Registered users as well as those seeking info about the products can exchange ideas with ease...
The big problem that we are seeing here in the last week or so has been that the MODERATORS are not "watching" the forums as close as they should, nor are they checking their in boxes in a timely manner.
Reported spammers should be removed quickly and the IP address they used blocked. When this happens by the mods in a quick manner the spammers are made to jump through all sorts of hoops to come back and spam only to be whacked again quickly... they will go looking for easier pickings.
My suggestion to solve the issue would be to have the moderators select a few trusted long time forum users who are regular contributors on the forums. Give those few people the ability to remove SPAMMER posts immediately .... kind of a civilian quick response force.
This has been suggested before.
I understand that the mods can't be setting here all day policing the forums for spammers but I have seen some of these spammer's posts remain on the forums for several days, and to me that is not acceptable. When I see a post that is 7 minutes old, if it was removed at that point, the spammers would become very discouraged especially if they had to go and use another IP address to get back in and go through the process to register again. Heck... put a 15 minute delay on the registration..... for a normal user, that's nothing. To a spammer, that's a huge roadblock....time is money to them.
Just my thoughts
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 09:39:54
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I would venture the forum is supplied by Cakewalk to entice new users of their products, as well as keep down tech questions by having us users answers such newbie questions like "Do I need to turn on my computer before using SONAR?"
It is not in their interest to narrow the base.
And Cake has always been kind of lax in enforcing the forum, until a spammer feeding frenzy starts, which seems to be happening. Then someone has to take time out of their day from doing other things to check the forums for spam. Maybe we'll get to meet some of the new employee!
Ya, the forum software sux. But we get what we pay for for a free service. The old P5 members set up their own site.
Anyway, I'm not big on Cakewalk spending too much time on the forum, but certainly the amount of spam is getting outrageous.
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 09:40:39
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mattplaysguitar
Hey, I said what Jimbo 88 said first! Just not in as clear words as he did. But he gets alllll the glory! Grrrr!!! Haha :p
Yes you did...sorry I just can not read more than :30 without losing attention. mattplayesguitar deserves credit and Chudkebaby is right behind. I officially rescind any credit for the above idea and place all due honor to the correct parties. It's only right. 
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Re:Let's change forum rules
2013/05/10 11:46:08
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Guitarhacker
I think it's good like it is now.... Registered users as well as those seeking info about the products can exchange ideas with ease...
The big problem that we are seeing here in the last week or so has been that the MODERATORS are not "watching" the forums as close as they should, nor are they checking their in boxes in a timely manner.
Reported spammers should be removed quickly and the IP address they used blocked. When this happens by the mods in a quick manner the spammers are made to jump through all sorts of hoops to come back and spam only to be whacked again quickly... they will go looking for easier pickings.
My suggestion to solve the issue would be to have the moderators select a few trusted long time forum users who are regular contributors on the forums. Give those few people the ability to remove SPAMMER posts immediately .... kind of a civilian quick response force.
This has been suggested before.
I understand that the mods can't be setting here all day policing the forums for spammers but I have seen some of these spammer's posts remain on the forums for several days, and to me that is not acceptable. When I see a post that is 7 minutes old, if it was removed at that point, the spammers would become very discouraged especially if they had to go and use another IP address to get back in and go through the process to register again. Heck... put a 15 minute delay on the registration..... for a normal user, that's nothing. To a spammer, that's a huge roadblock....time is money to them.
Just my thoughts
I agree 100% with everything you say here Herb.
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