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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/27 17:31:40 (permalink)
    and then the urban top 25 playlist would disappear...

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/27 17:32:56 (permalink)
    THANK GOD FOR THAT!!!

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    Green Acres is the place to be
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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/27 17:40:48 (permalink)
    Without my Auto Tune Up Guy, I'd get turrable mileage, roight?
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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/27 17:41:22 (permalink)
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    and then the urban top 25 playlist would disappear...


    What he said!

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/27 17:49:37 (permalink)
    And, by extension, let's get rid of all those who attempt to sing but NEED auto-tune!!!

     
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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/27 17:50:21 (permalink)
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    And, by extension, let's get rid of all those who attempt to sing but NEED auto-tune!!!

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 10:46:17 (permalink)
    is it gone yet?

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 10:55:14 (permalink)
    Harsh..

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 11:09:55 (permalink)
    While I would ordinarily agree with you...and how...alas, I have joined the dark side (I am your Father, Luke).  Antares just yesterday sent me an email for their AutoTune EFX (which does the dreaded "TPain Autotune Effect") for 49 semolians.  And, since we have more and more jabbernows that come into the studio who want it...I bought it.  I goofed with it for awhile and it gave me a pretty good laugh.  But I'm sure it will get used.  Sorry.  But, like my family crest states, we've been "part of the problem since 1952".

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 11:28:56 (permalink)
    Beyond the dreaded "Cher effect", Autotune has become sort of a regular channel strip insert for all things vocal. I hear it everywhere, even when the singers don't have intonation issues. Seems as common as reverb. And it just kills the human factor out of the performance...

    Anecdote from a well-know producer... Session back-up singer sets in to record her lines but then starts to complain that that's not her usual sound. Which of course was the "sound" of Autotune. 
     
    It's like Botox. And I don't think it's going away anytime soon. For the new generation of "singers", that's how a singing voice sounds. :( 



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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 12:21:00 (permalink)

    It's like Botox.


    I need a Botox VST, I want to sound like a phat head.

    (WOW, that's amazing.  I just did?)

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 12:35:28 (permalink)
    Jonbouy



    It's like Botox.


    I need a Botox VST, I want to sound like a phat stupid-face bapu head.

    (WOW, that's amazing.  I just did?)


    Corrected?


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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 12:54:08 (permalink)

     Auto Tune was developed by a former seismologist 

    nuff said.


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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 12:59:07 (permalink)
    You mean? His voice was shaky? 

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 13:12:45 (permalink)
    No, he's sent tremors through the recording industry.

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 14:22:30 (permalink)
    A groundbreaker, at any rate. 

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 15:00:03 (permalink)
    Now let me think.....who have I been listening to that uses autotune?....

    I don't know of a single one so really don't care about those that use it.
    Besides, if they need a crutch who am I to tell them not to or to try and take
    it from them? I wouldn't.
    What if it did save re-doing a whole track to correct one or two oops...

    And to get down to it...I  put guitarist that need a tuner after
    playing for 20+ years in the same boat. ( especially bad when one considers a guitar
    being an instrument that requires the player to make compensating changes while playing to maintain correct pitches) 
    But still nice to have when doing a critical set-up or needing a "silent" tuning.

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 15:34:20 (permalink)
    This might come across as arrogant, but it's only my humble opinion...

    I've always been a bad singer, so i spent over a year taking lessons.  After that, I spent a few months recording an album (that's just about finished now).  I was really looking forward to new tracks with soaring vocal feats.  I wanted to sing with the same proficiency of my guitar (which i've played for over 2 decades and can do exactly what I'm attempting).
    I loaded up a particular project, and was crushed at the sub-par singing that I'd worked so hard to achieve.  Out of curiosity, I inserted AutoTune into the FX bin, and clicked a couple of buttons.  Instantly the vocal track was perfect - this is what I'd been striving for!!!!
    For a couple of seconds, I considered keeping this and calling the project 'done'.  I actually slapped my hands on the desk and shouted 'NO'!  lol
    I quickly deleted the AutoTune instance, and uninstalled it completely from my pc.  The devil nearly got me.  I accepted that I'd have to re-record the vocal tracks.

    I take pride in being a musician.  I play what I record*.  And if I can't play it, i'll learn and rehearse until I can.  My vocal lessons have just finished, and i'm about to start piano lessons.  To me (again, IMHO), I wouldn't be proud of something mechanically "fixed."

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 16:11:07 (permalink)
    You know slug, ol pal, you don't have to turn those little gears at the top of the neck of your guitars if you don't want to either.  Why screw with natural things like humidity and temperature?  And, of course, forget about compression or EQ...and don't even get me started on reverb, chorusing or flanging!!

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/29 22:16:42 (permalink)
    @Spacey - I don't think it gets that bad of a name when used as you say, but when it becomes an effect like a phaser or flanger, well...

    I've owned both the hardware and software version of the Antares AVP-1 for about 10 years now.  I use them to great effect by recording my friends that think they can sing.  I then over-juice the Cher effect and play it back to them so they can hear "how they sound to others."  That usually stops them from wanting to play Skaraoke.

    Ok, ok, so I'm mean sometimes.  Oh well.  Life isn't always becan and post count is it?

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/30 00:10:18 (permalink)
    Hmm ... while we're at it, let's also get rid of the modern technology that allows a lot of us here to be "one man" bands. I mean, you should only play on a recording if you can go straight through with out "comping" your performance. Because, using the prevailing logic here, if you can't play well enough to do your thing in one take then you have no business on a recording.

    And by all means lets get rid of software like SD. After all, if one can't actually play drums, he or she isn't good enough to record a drum track. That is musical blasphemy! Oh, and don't forget string samples! Anyone who uses Dim Pro (or the like) for their string sounds is doing the whole music community a huge disservice! Who do you think you are? Either learn to play violin, viola, oboe, etc ... or don't you dare try to pass off those ... those ... sampled, lifeless, automated, facsimiles of the real thing as anything more than what they are. Fakery! You talentless hack! You're ruining the music industry! ...lol

    Look guys, all jokes aside, Autotune, like the very DAW we all use, is a tool. Nothing more. Singing is, and should always be, about connecting with an audience. Autotune, nor any other tool, will do that for you. It can make you "sound" better. But, there are tons of singers who sound good and couldn't connect with an audience of pot heads with a dime bag let alone anyone else. Mick Jagger technically doesn't sing very well. But, nobody sells a song like him.

    If you're vocal has no feel, no attitude, no soul ... then no amount of Autotune will allow you to make others feel what you're doing. And if you're not connecting with others, on some level, when you sing then really, whose better? The person who uses Autotune but makes people want hear he or she again? Or the person who sings technically perfect but is forgotten the second that person stops singing?


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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/30 00:50:33 (permalink)
    Hey!  Old 55 is an auto tune! 

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/30 08:35:21 (permalink)
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    @Spacey - I don't think it gets that bad of a name when used as you say, but when it becomes an effect like a phaser or flanger, well...

    I've owned both the hardware and software version of the Antares AVP-1 for about 10 years now.  I use them to great effect by recording my friends that think they can sing.  I then over-juice the Cher effect and play it back to them so they can hear "how they sound to others."  That usually stops them from wanting to play Skaraoke.

    Ok, ok, so I'm mean sometimes.  Oh well.  Life isn't always becan and post count is it?

    (or not?)
     
    I agree with that Craig...but I believe that is the same thing I was saying! lol.
    BUT, the OP wanted to get rid of it. That's what I don't agree with. If he doesn't like- don't use it. If he doesn't
    like hearing it- don't listen. Pretty simple to me.

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/30 09:59:51 (permalink)
    Amen brothers... to posts # 22 & 24 above.

    Man..... the technology is at our fingertips and extremely affordable compared to just 10 years ago.... so use it.  Digital multitrack studios in our bedrooms and spare rooms that rival (or exceed) the capabilities of recording studios of the pro's....... who would have guessed that or seen it coming just 20 years ago?  The plugs and FX that we have available....awesome!

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/30 10:11:21 (permalink)
    Autotune lets anyone be a singer. That's democracy. You're not anti-democracy are you?


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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/30 10:17:31 (permalink)
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    Autotune lets anyone be a singer. That's democracy. You're not anti-democracy are you?


    But what KIND of singer?

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    Re:Let's get rid of Auto-Tune 2011/06/30 10:20:22 (permalink)
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    Autotune lets anyone be a singer. That's democracy. You're not anti-democracy are you?


    To be pedantic  (looks around for her rifle case)  Autotune lets anyone sing in tune,  it doesn't make them a singer.

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