Let's create a list of the way we actually use LANES: Work-arounds Please

1) Rather well for my purposes.

;-)

Here is what worked for me (after buying X2 and patching the quickfix and X2a): I went back to Sonar 8 and just set up multiple tracks for each "lane". Sorry! : ) Probably not useful or helpful, but X2 gives me a migraine, and I can rock & roll takes a-plenty with zero issues in 8, so that is where I shall stay until the forum is buzzing with how wonderful lanes work in (X3? X4? X5?) - THAT is when I upgrade again. Cheers! : )

I agree FBB.  I also like your suggestions as far as the take height restriction and the option to min the track when the takes are expanded.
 
I would add that it would be nice if the restriction was also lifted on the automation lanes. I like automation lanes but there is not enough controll with the height limit. I always end up closing the automation lane and end up editing the automation in the collapsed track which is not limited in its size.

I would also echo your suggestion that people submit feature requests and bug reports about the stuff thats not working.

Griping here about it is not likely to get much traction.

i am shocked that they know that so many ,like me are using the base from x1 or even 8-5 and are happy not fighting the drop outs crashing and broken lanes.
 beside;s the few who claim cakwalk runs great for them as always in evey version
the must be takin a hit from sales, not one of my band mates or friends will touch x2 besides me and i use it when i screwing around with new plugs and feature.
 but x1 is the same thing nothing new for guys like me who do all live audio
nothing but a crash or drop out every session.
 lanes are broken  fact  sorry sonar fans ,if you dealing with 10  or more live drum tracks it no fun with x2 and my broken save finger like x1 better
as stated id go back to 8-5 till they act on these issues

It's why old amps cost more than new amps. It's why old mics cost more that new mics.

Uh... that's more of a supply and demand issue. I used to be able to get tons of old Traynor gear for peanuts before they became deemed "boutique" items. Demand went up, supply went down = Beepster can't get a functioning Traynor Bassmaster tube head for $200 anymore.

mike_mccue


SONAR 8.5 is going to become the coveted package... It will become the a vintage "Neve" console of the DAW world.

X2 has to settle for pretending it's a make believe SSL.


People will be hoarding old Win 7 boxes and running their favorite DAW far in to the future while SONAR X users will be waiting for their next vital upgrade.


We've seen this happen in the audio equipment market time and time again.

It's why old amps cost more than new amps.

It's why old mics cost more that new mics.

I'm starting to realize it's entirely normal for companies in the music equipment industry to ruin their reputation while trying to prove that the item that associated them with excellence is yesterdays worn out news.




I'm glad that SONAR 8.5 was excellent.

I'm glad I have 2 licenses for 8.5... cause you can't buy it new anymore and Cakewalk says's it's illegal to buy it used too.


Vintage DAW.

It's the next big thing.



all the best,
mike

-1 <-- Means I do not agree with any of the above

A big +1 to FBB's post - I think his suggestions completely sum up my desire for how to enhance Track Lanes.
 
An no, I certainly will not be hoarding anything to run SONAR 8.x.  I for one haven't opened 8.x in over a year, and have no desire to do so.  Yo, just keepin' it real dawg. 
 

What I did was, I started creating folders and I just clone the track I want to work with now in that folder. I'll clone it say ... 10 times, then archive those tracks until I do a take, then delete it all when I'm done chopping and putting it all on the main track.

When I chop it all up, all I have to do is hold Shift and drag the clip I want directly in to place on the track that I want to be the final one and that's it.

I do agree with Mike about 8.5 as well. They had something really special with it. I don't think it's all that far fetched to see some people keeping equipment to run it on. I still have a 486 with DOS 6.22 on it that I use for games from that era.

Would be great if the next version allowed the user to select how they use lanes (either similar to previous version or new versions) ?   Personally, I liked how it worked in version 5 (went from 5 to x1, so I don't know how version 6-10 worked). everything was right there, a right click and whalah! very little navigation. I got to be very proficcient with it.  Cakewalk? Are you listening?!

kevo

mike_mccue


SONAR 8.5 is going to become the coveted package... It will become the a vintage "Neve" console of the DAW world.

X2 has to settle for pretending it's a make believe SSL.


People will be hoarding old Win 7 boxes and running their favorite DAW far in to the future while SONAR X users will be waiting for their next vital upgrade.


We've seen this happen in the audio equipment market time and time again.

It's why old amps cost more than new amps.

It's why old mics cost more that new mics.

I'm starting to realize it's entirely normal for companies in the music equipment industry to ruin their reputation while trying to prove that the item that associated them with excellence is yesterdays worn out news.




I'm glad that SONAR 8.5 was excellent.

I'm glad I have 2 licenses for 8.5... cause you can't buy it new anymore and Cakewalk says's it's illegal to buy it used too.


Vintage DAW.

It's the next big thing.



all the best,
mike

-1 <-- Means I do not agree with any of the above

+1

Always bothers me when I read " The few that claim" x2 works fine for them.

It's not few, it's the majority. I made a list a while back of all the 853 x1 and x2 suck folks-was les than 30. So the few are you.
Also, I do not CLAIM it works, I say it works for me because it does.

Yes I like layers also, hate the lanes. But it is what it is and I have learned to deal with it.

The analogy: But I also hate gas prices but I'm just not ready to ride a horse to a gig with my equipment.

To be honest, I've never really understood why that so-called randomness was a problem, I'd be interested to know though.

I hated it with a vengance, although in fairness after the first few times of the "rearrange into no particular order" I stopped using it 'cos it would send me so mad....

Anyway.... Normally I record several (all right lots) of takes, be it vocals, guitar whatever the track is. When I start comping I'll mute some parts that are obvious winners for a section and some parts I might have 3 or 4 where they are so close I'm undecided so I leave them to sort later.

In lanes I can now make notes on those lanes about those sections and each take has it's own number/name. With layers I'd make paper notes referencing them by take number (from top to bottom). Whenever I'd make the mistake of going anywhere near the "rebuild" it would of course scatter them into some seemingly random order which of course just scrapped all my notes about potential take parts and I'd have to go back over them.

In the end I just stopped using it completely so it was something that never bothered me because I never dare use it, hence I don't miss it now. For the way I work I find lanes much better, aside from the comments on size and other bits I mentioned earlier.

I'm all for a rebuild but some sort of control over it would be great, although TBH now lanes are better referenced it wouldn't matter as much how they were messed up.

FastBikerBoy

To be honest, I've never really understood why that so-called randomness was a problem, I'd be interested to know though.

I hated it with a vengance, although in fairness after the first few times of the "rearrange into no particular order" I stopped using it 'cos it would send me so mad....

Anyway.... Normally I record several (all right lots) of takes, be it vocals, guitar whatever the track is. When I start comping I'll mute some parts that are obvious winners for a section and some parts I might have 3 or 4 where they are so close I'm undecided so I leave them to sort later.

In lanes I can now make notes on those lanes about those sections and each take has it's own number/name. With layers I'd make paper notes referencing them by take number (from top to bottom). Whenever I'd make the mistake of going anywhere near the "rebuild" it would of course scatter them into some seemingly random order which of course just scrapped all my notes about potential take parts and I'd have to go back over them.

In the end I just stopped using it completely so it was something that never bothered me because I never dare use it, hence I don't miss it now. For the way I work I find lanes much better, aside from the comments on size and other bits I mentioned earlier.

I'm all for a rebuild but some sort of control over it would be great, although TBH now lanes are better referenced it wouldn't matter as much how they were messed up.

 
Thanks Karl, a perfect explanation.
 
 

Patience!
That's my workaround...
I do feel your pain Keni.
Tom

Thanks Tom...

I just find it hard to accept that between all the programmers and testers, that the Bakers thought this a viable, working solution. I understand that some users are quite pleased with the current implementation... But I run into so many issues (constantly) that it's hard to imagine users comfortable with this...

I guess my work methods are that different? I never would have thought so but.......

Even if I liked the Lanes concept to begin with (which I don't), the staggering amount of moving, re-sizing, changing screen sets that I current require would annoy me no end...

I truly hope that The Bakers find some way to restore earlier abilities and soon... I can't take much more of this.

I have vested to working in X1 as long as possible for tacking and editing and switch to X2 for mix... But it's very unusual that all work falls into the right time period when I need it... <sigh>

Keni