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Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
Myth one. CW will screw us at a future date and drop Platinum. Reality. There is no evidence for this. Even if they did it would not void the lifetime updates.
Myth Two. They will reduce the add on to Platinum. Reality. What now comes with Platinum will continue to be a part of the Platinum package.
Myth three. Only the "core" program will be subject to the lifetime offer. Reality. "Core" program was/is a poor choice of words and is somewhat responsible for the confusion. Platinum comes with a bunch of Pro Channel modules it does not come with some others like Concrete Limiter. This is going to be the same under lifetime updates. CW may developed new plugins that maybe an extra cost for the user if they want them. This is no different from the way it is now.
Myth four. Cakewalk is low on funds and needs to inject more revenue into it. That why this offer is up. Reality. No. First there is no way anyone here has the financial report of CW to refer to. Second this would do just the opposite as far as being a funding stream over time. Let us look at this as it is, an offer to reward loyal users. What is so hard in accepting that?
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 08:21:41
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John
Myth one. CW will screw us at a future date and drop Platinum. Reality. There is no evidence for this. Even if they did it would not void the lifetime updates.
Myth Two. They will reduce the add on to Platinum. Reality. What now comes with Platinum will continue to be a part of the Platinum package.
Myth three. Only the "core" program will be subject to the lifetime offer. Reality. "Core" program was/is a poor choice of words and is somewhat responsible for the confusion. Platinum comes with a bunch of Pro Channel modules it does not come with some others like Concrete Limiter. This is going to be the same under lifetime updates. CW may developed new plugins that maybe an extra cost for the user if they want them. This is no different from the way it is now.
Myth four. Cakewalk is low on funds and needs to inject more revenue into it. That why this offer is up. Reality. No. First there is no way anyone here has the financial report of CW to refer to. Second this would do just the opposite as far as being a funding stream over time. Let us look at this as it is, an offer to reward loyal users. What is so hard in accepting that?
+1 on all points. This is what I understand as well. I am simply unable to understand why many are creating a differentiation between what will be offered for monthly/annual and that for lifetime updates when Cakewalk has explicitly stated that they will all be the same. Moreover, all the content including add-ons, enhanced features and tools, etc., that are integrated within Sonar will have to be part of the included updates for all the membership options irrespective and will not be separated as payable. What will be separate as payable will only be those that are already the case, like Rapture Pro, additional Prochannel modules, additional expansion packs, TH3 Producer, Melodyne higher versions like editor, etc. Someone from Cakewalk correct me if what I understand as above is wrong. Because if it is, its important to know that now.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 08:30:14
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Hay John I still don't get it,
I have had sonar since version 5 and upgraded every time So I now have sonar platinum, but in my account it says my membership has expired in march, what membership! this it what I don't get (I don't do the subscription thing), I purchased sonar and then just upgrade each year, so why would I have an expired membership ?
Also when it refers to lifetime updates for platinum users am I to presumed I am paid up, or will I will have to pay for this next upgrade at this higher cost its showing (from what I think I understand) but their after All upgrades and updates are free , I don't fully understand all this cakewalk hype its not very clear to me as I don't follow cakewalk forums very often apart from the yearly upgrade time ?
I currently have Newbury and the other day cakewalk manager said it was updating, it downloaded and updated automatically, yet when I open sonar platinum up it still says Newbury 2.13.0.32, and I see none of the updated features, functions etc. Is this because Of what I wrote in paragraph 1
Is their also another thread that explains this, instead of this encrypted jargon cakewalk advertise.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 08:30:33
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Totally agree! I wish a CW person would drop in and deal with these things now.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 08:36:24
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I'm good with all except Myth 1 - and honestly, this is the first time in a bunch of years on the forums that I've been bothered enough to take it up. As a concept I like this approach of updating the core and having a DLC model for peripheral adds.
You say 'Even if they did it would not void the lifetime updates', but forgive me if I don't follow the logic. A 'lifetime update' will have limits or at least a definition of the product to which it applies, and in my case that's what I'd like to understand.
Scenario 1: Sonar Platinum retains it's name indefinitely (it becomes Logic or ProTools) with the only difference being version numbers. Does Lifetime in that case continue through all major and point releases - probably yes.
Scenario 2: SPLAT changes to SGOLD or something distinctly different. Does Lifetime in that case continue through all major and point releases of those subsequent product lines - I really don't know.
Scenario 3: SPLAT is withdrawn as a product altogether, or gets sold off. At that point the lifetime question is largely irrelevant so I'm not too concerned.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 08:43:56
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This same thing happened with Fruity Loops some years back. It is now called FL Studio. However the lifetime updates still applies. Further a name change in and by itself is not going impact a contract made in good faith by a person with another. In fact it may be prohibited as a means of voiding a contract. At the very least it would open CW up to a slew of law suites.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 08:59:37
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Hmmmmmm.... First off, I don't like the term " myth". You could have replaced it with "question" and not been so dirogitory.
Next, is there some reason to believe that you have any more answers than others in the forum? You are not an employee of Cakewalk I assume.
As to your points
1. I agree it is unlikely.
2. I don't recall seeing anyone suggesting content would be taken away, just no new added content would be provided. I think that is likely.
3. I believe Cakewalk when they state "Core". My interpretation is that "Core" refers to the engine all three models(Platinum, Professional, Artist) use. In fact, all nine new enhancements in the rolling updates are for all models. So, while you get to keep Drum Replacer etc. do not expect unpaid updates to them.
4. As you stated, we do not know Cakewalk's financials. That also assumes we don't know if they are in financial difficulty. As to the " offer to reward loyal customers" this is only true as part of a financial plan. Having been technical support for sales and marketing for a high tech firm for 20 years, I assure you that in all the countless sales meetings just rewarding customers never entered anyone's mind. The meetings centered around making money . Usually by either reducing costs or raising revenues. I am confident that this "reward" fits into the latter category.
Still, I find the offer for lifetime core improvements to be compelling. I will be taking Cakewalk up on the offer.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 09:03:44
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Myth four. Cakewalk is low on funds and needs to inject more revenue into it. That why this offer is up. Reality. No. First there is no way anyone here has the financial report of CW to refer to. Second this would do just the opposite as far as being a funding stream over time. Let us look at this as it is, an offer to reward loyal users. What is so hard in accepting that?
Since you have not seen the financial report of CW either, on question either CW is low on fonds, the answer "No" is an equal myth to the answer "Yes"  The reality is what we know for sure: 1) CW has collected extra money from loyal users (which otherwise had no plans to pay for Sonar next 8 month) 2) (1) money could be collected in 8 month (with or without life-time approach) 3) CW will collect extra money from thous who want to jump into endless running train 4) all these money can be collected only once 5) Mac development was announced simultaneously with that life-time offer Logical conclusion is they want to spend money now to speedup the development of changes and Mac version. In hope go get the revenue from the result (which was also clearly confirmed). That does not means they are low on funds and that does look like a manageable business model. But that is not a gift nor "reward".
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 09:11:33
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Your using a fallacious argument. The point is not what funding is available to CW but rather no user here knows what is the state of CW funding. That is why no is the right answer. Its a speculation not a fact that CW is low on funds. Edit to add this. Put this another way the no means speculating on something no one knows anything about is fallacious in the extrema and unworthy of consideration.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 09:34:30
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/06/03 10:01:15
I think a forum host should lock this thread before it gets ugly.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 09:38:05
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bapu
I think a forum host should lock this thread before it gets ugly.
I hope you're joking. I don't find it very funny.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 10:07:24
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Actually, there is quite a lot of financial information you can find - and in many cases up to date and free. Indeed, Gibson had their credit rating downgraded by at least one of the major CRAs in March this year, and the related (freely available) Press Release points to why. A glance through recent Cashflow and Balance Sheet data gives some pretty good clues.
But that's a bit off-topic for this thread, other than to note that if cashflow and the need to service short-term debt is a priority, then a business model that encourages the customer base to put in more funding now makes some sense.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 10:15:06
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☄ Helpfulby Rocsee70 2016/06/03 11:56:56
John, I actually agree with what you said above. But do you work for Cakewalk? If not, aren't you just challenging speculation with further speculation? Might be better to let the Cakewalk staff handle it.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 10:25:23
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John
Your using a fallacious argument. The point is not what funding is available to CW but rather no user here knows what is the state of CW funding. That is why no is the right answer. Its a speculation not a fact that CW is low on funds.
Edit to add this.
Put this another way the no means speculating on something no one knows anything about is fallacious in the extrema and unworthy of consideration.
My point was based on one real fact: before and after the Announcement abount another Announcement which has announced that something is going to come later... They have collecting the money, NOW. And so, that is a fund raising. What is just a speculation is why they do so. Someone write they are low on fonds (I agree there is no evidence to think so), you write that is an award (I refuse to agree that collecting money for something in the relatively far future can be called an award), I think that was done to burst current development (you and other can disagree). ALL that are pure speculations. Based on my opinion, I believe they manage to make it. And so I am a lifetime Platinum user (since last week). You can percept it as an award, with the same result for them. For someone the words "core features only" + current difference between Pro and Plat versions + equal updates for lifetime and timed membership are opening the question "how Plat is going to be different from Pro for customers which already have all current Plat features?". I am also a bit puzzled, in another thread I see you also recognize that uncertainty... Not that the topic is relevant for me (as lifetime Plat user), but for someone it is. But I think if there are any myths in this forum, they all either intentionally or unintentionally are created by CW (and before you write there was no intention... making announcement about announcement always creates some myth )
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 10:48:10
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☄ Helpfulby Ham N Egz 2016/06/04 16:04:28
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I think a forum host should lock this thread before it gets ugly.
I hope you're joking. I don't find it very funny.
I agree with Baps, this thread fuels the fire that's been raging for the last few days. Rocky
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:07:44
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2016/06/03 12:42:19
Why even give these people any justification? This happens EVERY time a major change occurs or a new version of SONAR comes out. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. All of this doomsday paranoia is just that. Geez it's our chance to celebrate and feel great about being loyal customers since the frickin' 80's for criminey's sake. I think every single thing Cake announced is great and I'm stoked. Let these fools rant all they want without trying to equivocate them...they will not be appeased until they are on the other side of this.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:12:30
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John, I actually agree with what you said above. But do you work for Cakewalk? If not, aren't you just challenging speculation with further speculation? Might be better to let the Cakewalk staff handle it.
If someone uses fictitious data i.e. the finances of CW to justify an argument without having any access to that data it can only be seen as pure speculation. Pointing this out is not the same as making a speculation based on no data. I do not work for CW.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:12:56
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2016/06/04 11:49:14
I honestly don't care if CW is low on funds or high on life, the lifetime upgrades is a no-brainer deal. It it utterly pointless to speculate and worry about their reasons for offering it. I'm just glad that they are. 
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:15:31
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☄ Helpfulby Wood67 2016/06/03 11:34:19
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Scenario 1: Sonar Platinum retains it's name indefinitely (it becomes Logic or ProTools) with the only difference being version numbers. Does Lifetime in that case continue through all major and point releases - probably yes.
This is the correct scenario.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:17:01
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I think a forum host should lock this thread before it gets ugly.
I hope you're joking. I don't find it very funny.
I agree with Baps, this thread fuels the fire that's been raging for the last few days.
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You do realize I am a host. No host is going to lock this thread at lease not without asking me first. Bapu knows this.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:19:08
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☄ Helpfulby Ham N Egz 2016/06/04 16:04:49
Why did a forum host start yet another inflammatory thread? Makes no sense. There's enough of them already.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:20:13
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Wood67
Scenario 1: Sonar Platinum retains it's name indefinitely (it becomes Logic or ProTools) with the only difference being version numbers. Does Lifetime in that case continue through all major and point releases - probably yes.
This is the correct scenario.
Thanks Mr A. That's what I was hoping was the case. Signed up as a Lifer now, but the ongoing discussions are interesting nonetheless. I'm glad John isn't locking it down, so long as the comments are relevant and courteous.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:26:05
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I think a forum host should lock this thread before it gets ugly.
I hope you're joking. I don't find it very funny.
I agree with Baps, this thread fuels the fire that's been raging for the last few days.
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I think it is because people are acting like children,being petty,and using mostly flawed logic to denounce what is a great announcement for future success of sonar for EVERYONE,BOTH pc/mac USERS
You do realize I am a host. No host is going to lock this thread at lease not without asking me first.
Bapu knows this.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:29:39
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Wood as long as we are courteous and asking questions there is no need to lock anything. People have a right to participate even if some don't like it.
We try to keep this as open a forum as we can. I don't get people being so strident on shutting down a thread that is educational in nature. if you're already clear on the announcements understand them well you need not bother reading this thread.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:29:40
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/06/03 11:51:23
My advice to SONAR users is "Don't worry, be happy."
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:51:10
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☄ Helpfulby coolbass 2016/06/03 12:53:09
Since I'm allowed to openly express my opinion: My opinion is this was a pointless thread that I see as an attempt (even if unintentional) to usurp Craig Anderton's explanation of the three announcements. Which he did in his typical professional manner. Seriously John. Read your OP and then read Craig's OP and tell me where your value add is. Again, this is just my opinion. The only good (so far) I see in this thread is that Craig confirmed what Wood77 was looking for. BTW, AFAIK, you could lock your own thread.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 11:53:49
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Why did a forum host start yet another inflammatory thread? Makes no sense. There's enough of them already.
Inflammatory? How is that? I view it as educational. No different from almost all other threads. One can disbelieve me or point out incorrect points I made but to call it inflammatory is a bit too much.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 12:02:39
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Bapu all you have done is divert the thread to an off topic subject. This was never meant to usurp anyones thread but was meant to focus on one specific announcement. It was an attempt to answer questions I have seen in other threads and not in Craig's thread.
How do you think threads are started here? A person sees a need and starts a thread. There is no reason for you to have even posted here. If the thread was not of your liking simply ignore it.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 12:11:19
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2016/06/03 12:45:42
...wicked
Why even give these people any justification? This happens EVERY time a major change occurs or a new version of SONAR comes out. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. All of this doomsday paranoia is just that. Geez it's our chance to celebrate and feel great about being loyal customers since the frickin' 80's for criminey's sake. I think every single thing Cake announced is great and I'm stoked. Let these fools rant all they want without trying to equivocate them...they will not be appeased until they are on the other side of this.
I'm with wicked, and agree with John here as well. Fwiw, there's no way Sonar (Plat-Pro-whatever) is going anywhere after JUST being ported to Mac. That actually infers a whole new life cycle. Certainly for a few more years and if it changes then the last 99 bucks I spent on lifetime updates will still be worth it. I also don't believe any new capital raised with this lifetime updates will be enough to make or break Gibson/cakewalk. It was also previously speculated that core updates (a misnomer I feel) may let you keep drum replacer but not include unpaid updates. If rolling update history continues, that's exactly what it includes-unpaid updates as well and I think cake has already said as much. Rolling update has also included many things that would normally BE a paid update ie: Drum Replacer, so we're still ahead here.
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Re: Lets fully understand what Cakewalk is offering with Lifetime updates.
2016/06/03 12:30:55
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2016/06/03 12:52:03
John
Bapu all you have done is divert the thread to an off topic subject. This was never meant to usurp anyones thread but was meant to focus on one specific announcement. It was an attempt to answer questions I have seen in other threads and not in Craig's thread.
How do you think threads are started here? A person sees a need and starts a thread. There is no reason for you to have even posted here. If the thread was not of your liking simply ignore it.
One can dislike what I post or point out how my post about the thread is off topic, but to say there is no reason for me to have even posted here is a bit too much. You could have followed your own advice and just ignored me (even though at least one person here agreed with my original assertion). 
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