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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
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I've taken a few horrible drugs... 1 > Castor Oil 2 > umm if I think of another horrible drug I will edit. 3 > OK... PCP. Oh... it turns out that the "brown acid" at Woodstock wasn't "bad", just a little strong. Wavy Gravy said he was glad about it because they ended up with a basket full of it and it kept them high for a long time at the Hog Farm. I don't think there are so much "horrible drugs" as there are "horrible people" who take the drugs. There was a time when the general attitude was "what is mine is yours", these days the attitude seems to be more "what is yours is mine". There is a decided lack of empathy today. A very subjective topic... will watch the video now. J
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2015/02/21 10:41:04
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YIKES... I knew about "Research Chemicals" but also know better than to try them. The first one, Datura, grows pretty much all over but is, I would agree... a horrible idea to try. Owsley made some DOM. They called it STP and at first the dosage was WAY too high and people were tripping for 3 days. They lowered the dose and it got better but never caught hold.. none for me thank you. DMT is interesting to read about but I have no interest in going from zero to a million MPH in a few seconds. The other stuff he talks about is just really, truly horrible. Agreed! DMT however... is in a LOT of things including you and me. The pineal gland usually makes serotonin when there is light and melatonin when it is dark BUT at birth, death, and "near death" experiences it produces a flush of DMT. Some think that a malfunctioning pineal causes schizophrenia, with it's paranoia and hallucinations. The JWH analogs they sold a few years ago as Sp1ce etc were pretty horrible too. It is a chemical that is an agonist to the same receptors as THC but while THC is a partial agonist, the JWH chemicals are 100%.. people were smoking a joint and OD'ing. IT is al a result of the war on drugs. The war on drugs does not work. It does not stop anyone who wants to get high and the availability of drugs does not cause anyone who does not want to do drugs to do them. Society just ends up with horrible drugs instead of tested and less harmful drugs... it is insane. The CIA spent the better part of a decade trying to see if they could weaponize LSD in their MK-Ultra program. They always wanted to test it on a large population and set up observers in the Haight-Ashbury district in the 60s. The war of drugs has caused more problems than drug abuse ever did or ever will... IMO. J
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/02/21 11:23:35
It's just Darwin being proven right again and again. Breeding out the gullibility gene, one know-it-all teen at a time.
But also encouraging the luck gene, I suppose. I myself have survived a heroin overdose. At least it had the benefit of putting me off smack from then on. If only I'd had such a reaction the first time I ever thought "maybe a donut and coffee is a reasonable substitute for breakfast".
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 12:26:30
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Never did drugs other than what a Dr prescribed and usually only when in the hospital.
I had friends die from overdoses or (as stated above) turned into horrible people because of drugs or alcoholism. They taught me the lesson.
Having grown up with an alcoholic father I pretty much steered away from that too.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 12:43:41
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This is interesting to me, the pictures say it all. Molecules...  Psilocin is what psilocybin is metabolized into in the body.  Interesting, at least it is to me. Small changes, big differences. I've always liked chemistry. THC molecule:  
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
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☄ Helpfulby Rimshot 2015/02/27 21:35:37
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 17:40:40
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You'll take my weed from my dead hands, thank you very much. :)~
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 18:36:17
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Next door neighbour started smoking pot outside, in between our houses a few months ago. I first noticed that skunky smell in our garage. I didn't think much of it, as it was barely noticeable - I thought maybe it came from a bunch of empty beer bottles.
But then it came back on a daily basis. I'd be outside, on the other side of the house, reading and that stinky smell would interrupt me. And I hate the smell of pot. Soon enough, what was an isolated, occasional incident became regular, everyday, all through the afternoon.
We eventually got tired of it and confronted him. He said he'd been under a lot of pressure, apologized and said he'd find another place. So he started smoking in his garage - which changes nothing because his garage door is always half-open and our houses/garages are maybe 15 ft from another.
Result - I can't spend an hour outside w/o having to put up with that frickin' smell and our garage constantly smell pot.
One odd thing I've noticed in all my years is that, quite often, people who are already pretty relaxed tend to love pot, while people who'd probably need to mellow out a bit will opt for coke and speed...
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 19:02:15
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I have to put myself in the "don't mind the smell of pot" category, although when walking up the stairs of my East Village tenement I have to say the various aromas do induce an unhealthy craving...
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 20:20:29
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I remember the first time I smelled pot. It was 1966 and Mr. Policeman came to the auditorium and burned some little pellets of dried cow dung.. no 5hit!
Skunk is something different all together, it is a hybrid of sativa and indica and it REALLY has a strong smell. I was driving with someone in the back seat who had a small bit of skunk in a cellophane, in her pocketbook. It was so smelly I had to ask her to wrap it up better because man... it was smelling the car up.
These days they call it "Loud".
I liked to smoke (not skunk, never had it) it when I was younger, these days thinking about it beats the heck out of actually doing it.
I strongly support legalization of most drugs because I see no benefit to anyone from the "war on drugs". The people who want them still get them, crime goes up, the price goes up, no one who is not inclined to take recreational drugs is going to not do them because they are illegal. No one has a legitimate right to tell another person what plant they can or cannot grow or use... that is just absurd but I think I've said that before.. I am a bit passionate about it. I don't know how I would manage to live my life without the help of the __ government.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 20:45:56
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Where and when I grew up in the late 80's, it was all haschisch. From memory, that stuff actually smells quite good, and I wouldn't mind if my neighbour smoked that stuff on his porch all day long. I never saw or smelled pot until years later, when it became omnipresent. From what I've been told, that stuff was way more potent and had nothing to do with the stuff they smoked in the 60's and 70's. Being a musician and working with the people I worked with, it seemed to be everywhere. As for the rest, it's a personal choice - so long as I don't have to put up with the smell. I am not against legalization, but I don't have a dog in this fight. I would think that there are more urgent matters than getting stoned legally. But I'm a rather stiff bloke - I guess some would say that I'd benefit from a meeting with puff the magic dragon...
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 21:58:07
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I live in washington so weed is everywhere. I also used to dj raves and have worked in entertainment so I have seen way too many drugs. I experimented in college but never got heavy into anything beyond weed.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 23:40:31
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I live in washington so weed is everywhere. I also used to dj raves and have worked in entertainment so I have seen way too many drugs. I experimented in college but never got heavy into anything beyond weed.
I'm in a similar boat. I also live in Washington and I used to do lighting for underground clubs in L.A. (what so-called "raves" used to be called before being named as such). I'm a lot different than most up here since I've never smoked anything in my life. However, if I were to see certain mushrooms again, I know I'd be tempted! (It's probably been decades.) Oh well.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/21 23:48:19
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I did my fair share back in the early 90's and here and there up until about 2001 or so. In the early 90's the underground rave scene was new and exciting and quite beautiful (I know there will be hippies who scoff at the idea that it was comparable to the 60's, but for us it most certainly was). The drugs went hand in hand with the music - ecstasy + acid-house = bliss, especially within the atmosphere of the time. Great music, great people, nobody gave a damn what they looked like, social media hadn't created a generation of pretentious narcissists, and Islamic terrorists weren't filming themselves chopping heads off yet.
So I had a great time, but what I learned was that you don't gain anything in the long run by taking drugs. Whatever high you get, you pay for it later. And the balance shifts for the worse over time - you don't get as high as before, and the comedowns become harder to handle. Ecstasy ends up dulling your brain's ability to feel good. Sunsets don't look so beautiful, sex ain't so fun any more, etc. So I'm glad I stopped when I did and I can't help wondering if I might have had just a great rave experience without drugs. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe my mind would be sharper now, maybe I'd feel more motivated than I do. Probably not worth worrying about but I think if I could flick a switch and not have taken them, I'd do it. I never did any of the really hard stuff though, so I'm thankful for that.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/02/23 19:02:50
@ Rain: From what I've been told, that stuff was way more potent and had nothing to do with the stuff they smoked in the 60's and 70's. Being a musician and working with the people I worked with, it seemed to be everywhere.
It was everywhere and so was everything else. In the early 70s I can remember times when there was several types of acid in town... we are talking about a small rural town far from any city. I have no idea what is out there today but I heard on the news this morning something about a bunch of people being hospitalized by something called Molly... I don't even want to know. I swear drugs were safer before the DEA.
I don't think any of it is "safe" or "good" but abusers and going to abuse and the stuff they manage to get these days, meth and "research chemicals", the new drugs designed to get around the laws are getting more and more dangerous, at least it seems like it. I don't think there is a good answer aside from doing the best you can to be a good parent or grand parent and not being afraid to talk about it to your kids and grand kids.
I smoked a lot of it back in the early 70s. For several years it was the whole point of the day. I sort of lost a few years but I came out of it but a while back I was thinking that I wanted to try it again.. all nostalgic and everything, remembering the fun, forgetting all the bad. Well, I managed to find some and it wasn't the TOTL stuff either.
Man... I took one big toke and one regular one. I seriously thought I might be dying for about 30 minutes. I was thinking, "I used to enjoy this"?? It scared the crap out of me. I guess if one was a regular user it wouldn't be like that but I'm not going there and I certainly don't want to do something that scares me. It was a dumb idea but we live and learn I guess.
The middle of the road stuff these days is like primo stuff from 40 years ago. None for me, thank you. I have to learn everything the hard way and usually more than once... but I eventually learn.
I do like to read about the 60s and 70s to learn more about the things that influenced me directly and indirectly, it helps me to understand the culture and to understand myself. Reading the book Orange Sunshine, the story of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love was an eye opener... as was the book about the History of L5D and the CIA etc, I don't remember the exact name. Those people and substances had huge impacts of everything. I was amazed at the things the BEL had a big influence on.. and Kesey too. It's an interesting subject but nothing I'd want to be involved in.. however, back in the 60s the media glamorized all of it so that much of the youth took an interest, where without that glamor, a lot of it wouldn't have happened and a lot of the reason the media was doing what it did was because of the BEL and people like Kesey. Leary was a good look at the darker side, he became a real mess. Strange days... I still get mixed up sometimes because of all the media and cultural stuff that went into my mind in the 60s but it wasn't good, it seemed to be, but it wasn't and it isn't, at least not for me.
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Sharke, i was djing during that time in that region so i know excactly what you are talking about. The one thing i really enjoyed was how peaceful it was. I don't think i ever had to deal with even one fight at those events. I enjoyed the creativity of the places we held events. We once held one in a closed shopping mall. The place was still wired for power and the sound does not travel outside so we had main space an specialty music inside of various stores. I think one of my faves was right under a traffic bridge. The highway traffic totally masked the music from a distance so we were hiding in plain sight.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/23 16:18:46
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jbow
Skunk is something different all together, it is a hybrid of sativa and indica and it REALLY has a strong smell.
you know why its called skunk? I was driving the back way to Gelsies on I17 in Jersey for a session when I ran over a skunk in my Malibu. didn`t think much of it till I opened the garage next day and the smell was awesome! FWIW- "Hudson County Skunk" was apparently named because of the prevalence of skunks in that beautiful valley. I always wondered why there were crates of tomato juice and vinegar everywhere in the convenience stores-its in case you get sprayed because,believe me ,it takes months to get rid of,. Personally,i think it`s sad and disturbing that they have upped the THC and virtually eliminated the CBN`s-replacing the natural anti-psychotics with extra potency. all about the money `spose but times are a changing and its good to know in the near future we will no longer be crinimals for using the cannabis receptors God gave us . in the studio-I`ll take a pothead over a twitcher anyday. cheers tony
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/23 16:26:43
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Sharke, i was djing during that time in that region so i know excactly what you are talking about. The one thing i really enjoyed was how peaceful it was. I don't think i ever had to deal with even one fight at those events. I enjoyed the creativity of the places we held events. We once held one in a closed shopping mall. The place was still wired for power and the sound does not travel outside so we had main space an specialty music inside of various stores. I think one of my faves was right under a traffic bridge. The highway traffic totally masked the music from a distance so we were hiding in plain sight.
We had a few great ones in forests too. The police would invariably break them up but tbh that was all part of the fun and they were usually good natured about it. Best one I ever went to was in an abandoned warehouse in 1994. It seemed like some kind of wonderland at the start of the night with all the fresh happy people, strobes and UV lights. Then when the sun came up you realized you were covered from head to toe in grime and sitting in a puddle of gasoline, lol. Happy times.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
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jbow
Skunk is something different all together, it is a hybrid of sativa and indica and it REALLY has a strong smell.
you know why its called skunk?
I was driving the back way to Gelsies on I17 in Jersey for a session when I ran over a skunk in my Malibu.
didn`t think much of it till I opened the garage next day and the smell was awesome!
FWIW- "Hudson County Skunk" was apparently named because of the prevalence of skunks in that beautiful valley.
I always wondered why there were crates of tomato juice and vinegar everywhere in the convenience stores-its in case you get sprayed because,believe me ,it takes months to get rid of,.
Personally,i think it`s sad and disturbing that they have upped the THC and virtually eliminated the CBN`s-replacing the natural anti-psychotics with extra potency.
all about the money `spose but times are a changing and its good to know in the near future we will no longer be crinimals for using the cannabis receptors God gave us .
in the studio-I`ll take a pothead over a twitcher anyday.
cheers
tony
I have shot a few videos for medical dispensaries and fortunately some focus more on potential medical uses rather than just pushing the barrier for how high people can get. The last place i filmed seemed like it had a mostly cancer patient clientele and I did not encounter a single recreational user the entire time I was there.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
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hi dub,
"I have shot a few videos for medical dispensaries and fortunately some focus more on potential medical uses rather than just pushing the barrier for how high people can get. The last place i filmed seemed like it had a mostly cancer patient clientele and I did not encounter a single recreational user the entire time I was there."
thanks for that-the only news footage of medical dispensaries we get here shows obviously healthy people choosing the type of bud they want with girl scouts encouraged to sell cookies outside-no kidding-watch American Weed or similar.
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Sadly those places exist too. Ot just confirms that just about anything in life can be used for good, bad and grey area.
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/02/23 19:22:02
Being a regular weed smoker (with only a rare drink on special occasions... no coffee either), the only personality type I have trouble relating to are those who preach that weed is bad, or at least look down on it, while also swigging a beer or sipping some wine. And along that vien, I'm sure dispensaries will one day be as acceptable as liquor stores are today... Salvation Army out front at Christmas 'n all that.
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My main problem with weed (and the reason why I stopped smoking it) is that it is without a doubt habit forming. Not in a physical addiction kind of way, but psychologically to the point where life seems kind of dull and tedious when you don't have any. It got where I only wanted to listen to music (or eat) when I was stoned, and I don't like that at all.
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Re: Lets talk Drugs...
2015/02/23 19:06:58
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I thought this Fred was "Let's take Drugs".  my eyes are not so good. I Am on coffee right now!
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Hmmmm..maybe we should steer this convo to include music. Are there any people of the school of thought that drugs helps them create? I'm not. The only thing that woukd get finished if i went into the studio on weed is lots of Doritos. Yet, I know guys who will get high and the will write and record amazing songs.
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Hmmmm..maybe we should steer this convo to include music. Are there any people of the school of thought that drugs helps them create? I'm not. The only thing that woukd get finished if i went into the studio on weed is lots of Doritos. Yet, I know guys who will get high and the will write and record amazing songs.
Been smoking on and off for many years and at this point, thankfully, I just don't get the munchies anymore. /yay. Pretty soon I expect I'll become like Fry when he had his 100th coffee. Time will slow... I'll become one with the universe (already there really)... heaven will become manifest upon Earth... but that's a whole 'nother story. ;) As for creating... based on personal experience, I'd say weed is great for the creative part (thinking)... but not so good for the more technical parts (doing). Repetitive tasks suck unless they are hidden as something else (gaming in general is a good example of this). Repetitive tasks in something like Sonar might be insanely boring... but sparkin' a fatty while jammin' beforehand and searching for new ideas or inspiration... may be bang on for some. And there's also no rules about how much ya smoke. Having a small hoot from a pipe and then going to work in Sonar may be doable for most... but perhaps not after smokin' a whole rocket. :)
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Hmmmm..maybe we should steer this convo to include music. Are there any people of the school of thought that drugs helps them create? I'm not. The only thing that woukd get finished if i went into the studio on weed is lots of Doritos. Yet, I know guys who will get high and the will write and record amazing songs.
In terms of recreational use, whatever people want to do... As for the rest, I don't believe that something that slows you down, messes up your perceptions and affects your intellect negatively is of any benefit in terms of creativity. IMO, absorbing mind-altering substances to access creative potential is like cheating oneself out of an opportunity to know oneself, to access and express one's full potential and to be self-reliant. Whenever I think of music, I can't help but draw parallels w/ Bruce Lee's teachings in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do - it's about reaching your full potential and expressing yourself, facing challenges and seeing them as opportunities to improve yourself.
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