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Lexington using more CPU? No problems (now crackling) Perf Module CPU is very active...
Edit: Title updated because now I'm getting crackling while recording. See my more recent posts. Oof. Perhaps this is a sign of better resource management but I noticed that the CPU meters in my Performance module are all being pushed above 50% (but nice and evenly across all cores). This is not a particularly huge project compared to previous adventures (no synths... not an INSANE amount of tracks or clips, lots of instances of GR5 but not more than usual). I haven't been experiencing problems but I'm wondering if this is part of the performance enhancements. As in Lexington is using CPU cores more evenly/properly instead of offloading tasks in a less efficient manner. I actually noticed this while I had my interface buffers set low for recording and set them higher again for editing with little change to the CPU meters (which usually makes them drop a bit). As I said... no problems. Things seem to be chugging along nicely (and I'm in a full on tracking session). I'm just curious as to what this might represent. I am on Win7 if that makes a difference. Cheers.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/05 15:18:09
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I have noticed this too. I'm not that happy about it.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/05 16:10:21
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John I have noticed this too. I'm not that happy about it.
Interesting. I actually had a dropout while editing just now. I would normally expect a dropout when specifically doing what I was (and actually would expect more dropouts than I seem to be experiencing) but yanno... still not an enjoyable event. Certainly not heartbreaking though (I just start playback again and try not to be such a d*ck to the system). Anyway. I guess I notice a little bit of extra snappiness in some regards (mostly opening projects which is nice) but I'm a little underwhelmed by the performance boost after all the fanfare. Then again, as I said, I am on Win7 so maybe these improvements aren't as noticeable (or don't even apply) for me. I did ask whether they'd tested this stuff on Win7 a while back and... well didn't get much of a response. Still likin' it but the CPU stuff is a little concerning because I do like to really abuse Sonar when I'm in the zone. Meh... so far so good. Thanks for confirming, John. Cheers.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/05 22:07:31
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What OS are you guys running? I have seen a few instances of Win 10 just using a lot of CPU all by itself. Often the runtime broker using 20% to 60% of available CPU time. This particular issue seems to happen more often on Windows 10 machines that were upgraded from Windows 7 or 8.x. Seeing much in task manager?
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/05 22:47:34
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I'm on Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Insider Preview.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/05 22:55:39
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Which version of sonar are you comparing to? Please submit a project if you can repro a loss of cpu perf
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/06 10:09:30
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Right but what are you comparing Lexington to when you say that its using more CPU?
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/06 14:41:22
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Hi, Noel. I'll provide some more detail when I can get my brain together. I'm in the middle of something (music related) and not feelin' so hot today so want to make sure I can give proper details. Nothing is screwing up. I just found the activity meter goind way more nuts than I'm used to for such a (relatively) simple project. I'll be back. Cheers.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/06 19:23:53
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Basically thats what I'm seeing too. Too much CPU for not very big projects.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/06 21:10:06
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When you don't have Sonar running, are you seeing any extraneous CPU activity in task manager? Just trying to rule out the high-CPU issue I have seen on a number of Win 10 PCs (IT is my day job). Bill.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/06 21:17:20
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I wouldn't know I rarely use the task manager. I am referring to the performance module in Sonar.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/06 21:58:55
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I m still in ipswitch and i ain t moving ....if you guyz wants me to check but the thing is that to do it well we have to have the pretty same specs Win 8 here i7 4790s Personnaly i m noticing more dropout for no reason ( dpc latency exellent, 20 % cpu usage ) than previous versions , than x1 for sure with dropouts once a year !
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/06 23:25:18
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It does seem like Lexington spreads the usage out over my 12 cores (visible with Sonar's performance meter and inside Microsoft's SysInternals Process Explorer (acting as a replacement for Task Manager). The total overall CPU usage doesn't seem higher though to be honest, but I'm not rolling back to find out. It does seem like more cores are active than I remember seeing before. Could be my own fault though since I know I've fiddled endlessly the cryptic INI options.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 14:16:41
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Uhhh... so now I'm getting crackles while recording which I have not experienced since X1 and I replaced my old interface. This is indeed disappointing and I do not have the time to sort it out with support just yet. So is Sonar still being tested with Win7? Has that ship sailed? I really hope I don't lose good takes due to crackles on this project. I have NEVER had to worry about this problem for YEARS. The worst that would happen is I would get an engine stop and even that never happened while tracking (only editing/mixing with playback running). Ugh... guess I'm gonna have to adjust my workflow/buffers/etc to get through this project. Bad timing. I should not have updated yet.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 14:25:07
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Beepster Ugh... guess I'm gonna have to adjust my workflow/buffers/etc to get through this project. Bad timing. I should not have updated yet.
Why not just roll back to Kingston ?
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 14:51:38
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@PaulP... Because previously I was on Foxboro (I had not installed or downloaded any updates in the meantime) and I am an offline installer so the rollback process isn't quite as elegant (and I've never done it). Also I'm balls deep in a session so I can't be futzing with this right now. I should not have updated in the middle of a session but wanted to get access to the Aux Track stuff and (and performance enhancements). Lex seemed to be working well for everyone so thought it would be safe. For now I'm going to have to keep working as is until the next batch of tracks is done then maybe I'll have to use the restore point I created before installing Lex. I just can't be troubleshooting right now. Cheers.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 15:53:38
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So freezing a couple tracks and nudging my interface buffers up a notch (which is juuuuust barely starting to introduce noticeable latency) has solved the crackles for now but I've never had to do that before. Essentially it's not unmanageable but something ain't exactly right. I just don't want to leave the impression Lex is totally fuxxored... but it is exhibiting some undesirable behavior for playback/recording audio. Oh and those actions has knocked down the Perf Module CPU meters down a bit too. They are jumping a little more out of sync like I am used to (as opposed to staying in a relatively static and uniform line across all cores). Not sure what that means but that's what's goin' on. Just reporting what I'm seeing so I can come back to this later when I can proeprly troubleshoot/report.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 16:07:19
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Try running Latencymon in the background, while you are working in Sonar. It should give you an idea of what driver is using up the resources. Usually on my system, it is the network driver. http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon I don't get crackles on my system, until my performance meter (CPU) hits the red. This only happens when I'm using some rogue 32 bit plugin or instrument on my 64bit system. What I can't figure out is why only my first CPU core hits the red. The other 7 cores are under 30%.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 17:55:48
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Beeps, I hate to ask but what are your system specs? It's hard to generate ideas without knowing what you're dealing with. I use Ccleaner continuously and have found a lot of TSR programs trying to run undetected. Ccleaner lets you experiment with shutting them off in windows. I use SSD's so my machine never defrags. I believe in Win 7 it will try and defrag regular drives in the background. Nothing throws a wrench into the works like disk activity. Try turning off disk buffering in the Sonar settings if it's still active. If your machine specs are good this should be 100% fixable.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 18:12:05
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Beeps - offline rollback takes less than two minutes. Just run the installer for whichever version you want to use. I have done it a dozen times without issue. The situation you are in is exactly what it is for.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 18:16:16
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Yeah, sorry to not be more forthcoming with details at this point guys but I am truly in the middle of a fer realz, pro session so I can't be poking around and whatnot until it's done. I am gathering data points as I go though and keeping an eye on what's doing what. The basic system specs for now (without all the model numbers and the like which I always forget) are... i7 2600k 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 C drive 500GB 7200RPM (programs/OS) E drive 1TB 7200RPM (audio/general storage/couple of streaming libs not in use in this project) *note: I have Sonar installed on the C drive but projects and audio are on the E drive Win7 64bit (up to date) Interface Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 (USB 2.0) I do not have a wireless card and keep the system offline. I disable my AV when recording. Seriously this only started going wonky after the Lex update. I have gone back to using 96khz on the request of the producer but that's what I usually use for my own stuff without issues. Anyhoo... that's as much extra deets as I can muster for now. I don't think there's gonna be a simple solution to this. Cheers.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/07 22:46:17
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I have also noticed a bit of performance change in Lexington. The CPU meters jump more than usual and I have had the occasional click or pop that I have not had to deal with in JP. I usually run with buffers set to 128 but needed to increase to 256. The usual culprit that causes the clicking for me is having the gui for Jamstix open. If it is closed then playback at 128 buffer is glitch free with JP and earlier. With Lexington even with the gui closed I am hearing glitches during playback. Specs in Sig.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/08 02:31:30
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I'm clearly not pushing enough data to see these problems. Did you try the old "disable the 64 bit double precision engine" bit in the audio set up. I've had that turned off since X1 and never turned back. It has shown up as an issue a few times over the years, might as well tick that off the list.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/08 17:30:08
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I found the same type of issues with Lexington, basically it seems to use noticeably more CPU/resources, than any past iteration of Sonar that I have experienced. After not using Sonar for some time I updated to Lexington to check it out and noticed issues straight away, started a thread Here marked it as solved, but as I continued with the little project adding more stuff the crackles and pops started returning, it was still only a small project, I had to change my buffer settings dramatically to stop it from occurring, never had to do that before. I can run the same project in Studio One 3 and Reaper without issues and with buffers at 128. I moved the project entirely over to Studio One, it has now grown considerably larger and there is no sign of any issues and no need to alter buffer settings. I have always found Sonar to be seemingly heavier on recourses than needs be compared to other DAW's I use, part of the reasoning to check out Lexington was the optimizations, speed increases etc I had read about, but from what I can see things have gone backwards. Further reinforces that my move to Studio One 3 some months back was a good choice for reasons more than just features. But I keep checking in with Sonar (purchased another 12 months subscription), and I read somewhere that Cakewalk were taking the knife to Sonar and cutting out old inefficient stuff, that can only be good, because I think there is a lot of old inefficient stuff in there going back to the last decade if not century. Clean it out, get rid of all the old inefficient stuff, bring it up to todays standards, I don't care what anyone says about benchmarks against other versions of Sonar or other DAW's, the only benchmark I care about is my personal one, and it says Sonar is behind the 8 ball, and that Lexington has stepped backwards. Lets see what the future brings.
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Re: Lexington using more CPU? No problems, just my Perf Module CPU is very active...
2016/01/09 14:01:19
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Interesting... Some things are snappier like the update notes state, but from a pure performance aspect I don't find myself needing to run with higher latencies with Lexington than before. This on Win7. Obviously there's something accounting for the difference, but I have to think it's a Lexington+system thing. I am curious to see how the next update pans out...
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