Linking FX Bin plugin controls across multiple tracks?

I know there are probably multiple semi workable ways to do this using busses and FX Chains but what I would like to is if there is a way to completely link ALL plugin controls  for specific plugins across multiple tracks.
 
Scenario:
 
2 guitar tracks recorded simultaneously (same performance using a dual input from mics or in my case dual line outputs from an amp)
 
Guitar sim inserted into both of the track's FX bin set to the same preset.
 
Desired function:
 
Link those two instances of the guitar sim so that if I tweak one the other responds in the same way. Just like linking controls within Sonar.
 
That is the simple question so if there is a simple answer that I have overlooked no need to read further. I will potentially make a feature request if this simply isn't possible in Sonar.
 
buuut... here is my usually meandering/rambling reasoning/Beeps being a spazz explamanationizing...
 
Why? Because I use dual guitar/bass/etc inputs frequently and would like to be able to adjust my sims and other FX bin effects across those dual inputs simultaneously. Also I create doubles, triples, etc of parts for obvious reasons (general doubling, harmonies, whatever). Having all the sims/effects being adjusted at the same time would be much easier.
 
Why not use busses?
 
Because certain effects techniques are intended to be cumulative (eg: having two sims on two tracks with lower drive on each then being summed before the bus has many advantages over having dry tracks slamming into a bus with high drive. More color, potentially less noise, etc.)
 
Why not use FX Chain Modules?
 
Totally workable once the main setup for the sim/effects is figured out. One I get a close to perfect sim sound then I could map all the needed controls to an FX Chain (without any other FX added to it... or maybe add something or other but I'm more worried about linking sim controls). Then I can do general tweaks. That is not what I want though. I want to be able to switch the dozens (or hundreds) of various parameters in something complex like TH2 or GR5 and have them be reflected in the linked tracks.
 
What I am currently doing...
 
I'll set up a decent sound on one sim/effect, save the preset in the sim and/or drag/copy/load it into any associated tracks. As I tweak I have to constantly replace the old tweaks with the new ones across the associated tracks. It is time consuming and annoying.
 
Of course this can be done by just using busses but again this undermines trying to do things like cumulative gain/distortion tricks which I find really useful for keeping noisy/screechy distorted sounds under control while still getting a really thick distorted end product.
 
Thanks in advanced for any pointers on linking FX bin effects in this manner (or any other pointers that may help me wrap my head around all this).
 
Cheers.

The ability to link FX controls would be very welcome for me. Maybe a request in the Features forum? I'll vote for it...
 
Dean

For just several parameters, it is easy to group them (in automation lanes). But for 100s it is not an option.
 
An "external" solution can be written. It is possible to write such Control Surface plug-in (which isl not attached to any surface). It should monitor all parameters from several instances of some plug-in(s) and "multicast" all changes.
 
But proper solution inside SONAR is the best.

Automation can be grouped and driven by remote control but the initial question was

Beepster
if there is a way to completely link ALL plugin controls

and I doubt it would be practical to link ALL controls by grouping.

I have mentioned automation lanes because I do not know other way to setup groups for FX parameters. In fact I have to switch off automations completely (unset "Read") to make it work as expected.
 

scook
and I doubt it would be practical to link ALL controls by grouping.

Agree, so I am working on second ("external") solution
 
I have no influence on the third (proper) one since I am not working for CW.
 

Kylotan
is a fairly simple request - a way of being able to adjust one plugin and having that change immediately mirrored in another copy of the same plugin on a different track.

I prefer to not use the word "simple" in description what other should do...

Remember there is also the option to group FX controls via Console View: Options / FX / Show Assignable Controls
 
I know it does not automatically group all parameters (which I personally did not have any need for so far) but you can simply show whatever assignable control you need and group it as you like using one of the 26 quick groups ... what's cool about the feature: you can reassign other controls and Sonar will remember the grouping the background and still apply changes if one of the grouped controls is changed...

azslow3

FreeFlyBertl
Remember there is also the option to group FX controls via Console View: Options / FX / Show Assignable Controls

While nice "found", is there some way to see more than 4 of them?

 
 
No, I think it is hardcoded to show 4 controls but as I said, you can assign others and the grouping will persist in the background, you just don't see it anymore ...
 

azslow3
By the way, external solution is ready: http://www.azslow.com/index.php/topic,161.0.html
Can sync separate FX or the whole strip.
 

Just read through that ... pretty cool how you create all these solutions. you should take over the niche market for control surfaces. companies like Roland should send you their legacy controllers and pay you by the fix ... and users like myself could put in orders for some enhancements :-)

FreeFlyBertl
you should take over the niche market for control surfaces. companies like Roland should send you their legacy controllers and pay you by the fix ... and users like myself could put in orders for some enhancements :-)

Send... pay.. market... The usual reaction on my proposals and solutions is silence. And the silence is not easy to interpret. Lets take the latest examples: this thread and ACT/CC (Machine) thread. I do not think someone will use my sync solution (easy to use, can be setup in 5 minutes for complex project, even with support "sync/no sync" switch throw a button on controller, or "sync once") and I do not think someone will make Machine preset in AZC. As well as VS presets. 2-3 days for someone with particular device, and he/she can get everything imaginable. But no one really wants. If someone can get me a hint why, I will listen. For the moment, I think either no one really need what the ask or they think anything which is not sold for $500 is "cheap and bad", and when something is free... it can not be useful by definition