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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/05 21:03:57
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Hey I'm really trying to follow that thread, but: 1) Ubuntu doesn't install on every machine I tried it, I tried several distros and in many machines, also with basic and advanced configurations, I also tried Ubuntu Studio. 2) Linux is many years away from being trusted, there is no proper quality assurance pipelines to support pro features and proper development pace. 3) Even with Linux "free" option, if you are a professional, with a disent recording you can make the money you need for an operating system, a sequencer and some plugins, and that money is only a month's job! Then you can buy external gear. 4) Linux is not so "perfect" as many think, there are problems in the audio playback also, and you've got to be at least a programmer to solve them. 5) There are also many Linux distros that are suitable for audio work, but in my point of view, now in the modern digital studio, you have to be more flexible than ever, you must change audio formats like changing hats, changing from one program to another, use other media content creation or editing programs, like flash or anything else, and what about the world of Games sound design in which I live? No commercial games are running in Linux, so how can I check my sound design real time in the game's engine? 6) There is also the guys and girls in the post production and audio for video industry, don't try to go there with linux, audio and video, man they need 5-10 more years to go there. ADVICE: As a pro try to be as compatible as you can, Gates started the train and now we must ride it, until at least 10 more years and we will see then... Take care, Panagiotis
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/05 21:14:48
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ORIGINAL: 7XL Who really cares? Use what ever the hell you want. If you can make music that moves your soul, why bother with what others think. That's my take on the Linux vs everything debate. I downloaded and booted up that CD and while some things look ok, the majority look like Windows did 10 years ago. Like others said, it's the effects, VST instruments and so forth that make the Windows and Mac platforms a better choice than Linux. Could I make music with Linux? Probably, but why would I want to when I have Sonar, Nuendo and so forth not to mention some plugins I could not live without, Ivory for example.
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/05 21:26:10
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Off Topic sorry, Hey Dave, I sometimes use a synth that you created. Mongfish. Have you done anything else with it? Have you created any other products?
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 04:37:03
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I have some great wonka-wonka chick-chicky-wonka guitar samples if you guys are looking for soundtrack ideas... we were thinkin more like chick chicky wonka wonka. but thanks.
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 04:46:58
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DP has some great plug-ins that can run simultaneously! now that is hot. we wood like to give a producers credit in our soon to be award wining film.
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 04:47:34
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Debbie, Actually it's supposed to be: Bow chicka bow bow. later, Chipstar
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 04:52:15
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does it have to be a man with a dirty brown Mac to be in the flick?
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 04:52:16
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ORIGINAL: DebbiesHot we are about to do a DP scene. we are just wating for a mac so we can install it. ... funniest thing I've read for a while...
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 04:54:31
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Debbie, Actually it's supposed to be: Bow chicka bow bow. later, Chipstar are you sure. i thought it was bow wow wow. let me call malcolm mcLaren cause im confuded
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 05:45:25
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ORIGINAL: Bassmanx Off Topic sorry, Hey Dave, I sometimes use a synth that you created. Mongfish. Have you done anything else with it? Have you created any other products? heya. No that was my one and only foray into that kinda thing. It was fun to do though and I'm glad you get some use out of it still. It won't run on linux though probably ;) Kind regards Dave Rich
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 06:13:43
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OKay before i Jump into my definition of 'English; food stuffs as requested, a little thought. Who here thinks that Debbies Hot is actually Jingo's alta ego. The style and humour just seem to be very reminiscent. Anyway back to the food references, they are actually not English, but that very English traditional food. Indian Chutney = Fruit based condiment Condiment = Anything that goes with food, ie salt pepper mayonnaise are all condiments. Mango = A fruit, a popular Indian condiment is Mango Chutney. Popadom = Indian Crisp, its very big crisp, roughly the size of a plate. Good for dipping in Chutney Naan = Indian Bread, good for moping up curry sauce. Curry = Meat or vegetable based sauce accompanied by rice. Korma = A particular style of Curry, often favoring the use of Coconut and lemon grass and is delicate and less hot than other curry's. Jalfrezi = A slightly hotter curry, making more use of fresh chilli's F'aal = supposedly the hottest curry ever, and to be honest is more of a silly lets test our manhood thing amongst young English men. I think that the indians probably piss in it. I would. G
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 06:14:01
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what is DP apart from the obvious digital performer! Debbie you are using Sonar for your 15 minute flicks. I hope you roll the credits and thank everyone in the Sonar forums for their help. A special shout to Sonar 7 and Noel and those guys! Maybe put in a Cjay as I know he is a fan of yours. May be have a photo on the wall of the Sonar/pro tools add. That would spice up things when there is no action going on. Maybe a clip of the step sequencer too. And the new PRV. Some clips of the latest plug ins and how you can get them to work in Sonar. Also, how to get rid of pops and clicks with an indepth analysis of what you do to tweak your computer so it is fully optimized for DAW work. Just a thought!
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 06:44:15
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ORIGINAL: SteveJL ORIGINAL: DebbiesHot yep producktion on ardour blows sonar is going great. we are about to do a DP scene. we are just wating for a mac so we can install it. DP has some great plug-ins that can run simultaneously! If there were a RTAS version available, it gives great new possibilities for the Boost-11 plug-in! Not to mention the menu keys Insert-Plug-In! but maybe better to create a "Widget "or a "Hotkey"!
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 09:35:56
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Thank you Gordon for two things, one- going a "little" OT to induce some "flavor" into this serious OS wars top two- providing me with knowledge in preparation for my foray into a local Indian resturant .... I was not aware of the deep British-India link of food even though I watch those B&W movies on Turner Classic Movies channel And Jinga with multiple personalities???? no way........ ORIGINAL: gordonrussell76 OKay before i Jump into my definition of 'English; food stuffs as requested, a little thought. G
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2007/12/06 10:12:29
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Okay here is a more full low down on Indian dishes, and note I spelt Phall conplketely wrong , bless me. CJ can I join your club? MildDishes: Korma, Passanda, Tikka Side Effects: No known side effects MediumDishes: Balti, Bhuna, Dansak, Masala, Tandoori Side Effects: Slight tingling of the tongue Medium HotDishes: Biryani, Jalfrezi Side Effects: Burning in the throat HotDishes: Madras, Rogan Josh Side Effects: A mild sweat and ring sting the following morning Very Hot Dishes: Vindaloo Side Effects: Turns your arse into a Japanese flag We have lift off! Dishes: Phall Side Effects: Turns you into a human blowtorch. Do not fart near a naked flame!
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 10:21:41
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Why do i get dragged into threads i dont even respond in. bless me. CJ can I join your club? No, but I'll gladly hit you over the head with one Cj
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 12:44:02
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 13:11:49
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DIH I think it is DKFH. Same pattern of posting. That is very hard to fake.
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 14:22:35
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ORIGINAL: Dappa1 what is DP apart from the obvious digital performer! in the context of the line of work Debbie purports to be in, two words: first word, double, second word starts with 'p' and ends with 'enetration'... a lovely double-double entendre with the software. ORIGINAL: gordonrussell76 Okay here is a more full low down on Indian dishes, and note I spelt Phall conplketely wrong , bless me I hate to be the one to point it out, but you did a number on 'completely' as well... also, I think 'Papadam' is the usual spelling - but otherwise a pretty good summing up. Got my mouth watering anyway. Mmmm, Indian food, so good. Oh, and for my part I am fairly sure that Debbie is S.Berg is S.Jobs / B.Jobs. That's the equation I'm getting in terms of continuity of humour. Not quite in Jinga's league in terms of wonderfully surreal and almost random word association (somehow always still kind of relevant!) - but appreciated nonetheless. The thing that links them for me is a certain economy - combined with relentlessly finding a way to segue to their chosen fixation. I get an occasional kick out of him/her/them, anyway - though I'm sure there are those that disagree. I've arrived at the point where I figure it all kind of fits somehow. Place wouldn't be the same if it were all business all the time. I definitely don't see the link with DKFH though, who was never on the upper rungs humour-wise for me... to quote Jinga: "somehow cleverness continues to evade you, though not for lack of trying". (edited a bit just 'cause it's possible)
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 14:23:35
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I love a good Chicken Korma, and a Rogan Josh - with garlic naan. Actually, my local curry house back in the UK had this special chicken balti stuffed naan, which was then deep fried! It was like a huge, Indian style Cornish pasty! Incredibly tasty but has about a gadzillion calories.
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chipstar
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 16:32:11
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Hey John, I doubt its DKFH (as much as I'd like to see him come back) since he was always giving CJay hell about spelling. Debbie can't seem to spell her way out of a wet paper bag. later, Chipstar
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 17:32:52
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ORIGINAL: jinga8 Dude, you have a PhD in Medical Biophysics. AND you have multiple medals and trophies for achievements in competitive sports??? You RULE the SCHOOL, (which school?, you ask...) the SCHOOL of COOL!!! "leave propriatoery Windows" Still can't spell, for all that. Nick
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 17:46:00
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ORIGINAL: gordonrussell76 Okay here is a more full low down on Indian dishes, and note I spelt Phall conplketely wrong , bless me. CJ can I join your club? Side Effects: Turns you into a human blowtorch. Do not fart near a naked flame! Last time I had Indian food was on a business trip where I also had more than my fair share of Margaritas. Let's just say I spent the night wrapped around the toilet bowl. I even had names for all of the tiles...... Man I was one sick dude........ I think it took me a year before I could look at salt again.
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 19:39:14
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Oh man! This thread tears it. I'm pullin out my Tascam porta from the closet right now..... FS Chinese Proverb: Man entering turnstile sideways, going to Bangkok.
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/06 21:43:36
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Chinese Proverb: Man entering turnstile sideways, going to Bangkok. Holy HA-HA Batman!!! I am going to tell THAT one to anyone I encounter tomorrow. Very funny stuff. On second thought, I don't think that will work because it is set up to work in writing, not in speech. I mean, you read it once and you wonder "how can one know that a man going sideways through a turnstile is going to Bangkok?" And leaving out both the copula (is) and the personal pronoun (he) simply makes the second clause match the first in style (which tends to make English speakers think of far eastern peoples, such as the Chinese, who had been previously mentioned (setting up our brains to attach this to the later phrasing) in the opening phrase "Chinese Proverb:" So we first see it as an attempt by an individual for whom Chinese is their first language to say "A man who walks through a turnstile is going to Bangkok." Upon reading it again, however, most people would question the validity of this sentence as an actual proverb, as it lacks any true or wise meaning. And on a third reading (the second if you are really smart), you will actually spot the homophonic punchline. Good stuff...
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/07 06:19:03
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Ahh what japery and frolick'ry is contained within this thread. Its actually not my spelling that is atrocious, but my touch typing. This combined with a general laziness in terms of reviewing posts, leads to some embarrassing posts. But I am chasing my fourth star, and have not time for paltry considerations such as spelling. G
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/08 06:10:12
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ORIGINAL: Joystick Hey I'm really trying to follow that thread, but: 1) Ubuntu doesn't install on every machine I tried it, I tried several distros and in many machines, also with basic and advanced configurations, I also tried Ubuntu Studio. 2) Linux is many years away from being trusted, there is no proper quality assurance pipelines to support pro features and proper development pace. 3) Even with Linux "free" option, if you are a professional, with a disent recording you can make the money you need for an operating system, a sequencer and some plugins, and that money is only a month's job! Then you can buy external gear. 4) Linux is not so "perfect" as many think, there are problems in the audio playback also, and you've got to be at least a programmer to solve them. 5) There are also many Linux distros that are suitable for audio work, but in my point of view, now in the modern digital studio, you have to be more flexible than ever, you must change audio formats like changing hats, changing from one program to another, use other media content creation or editing programs, like flash or anything else, and what about the world of Games sound design in which I live? No commercial games are running in Linux, so how can I check my sound design real time in the game's engine? 6) There is also the guys and girls in the post production and audio for video industry, don't try to go there with linux, audio and video, man they need 5-10 more years to go there. ADVICE: As a pro try to be as compatible as you can, Gates started the train and now we must ride it, until at least 10 more years and we will see then... I am new to this forum but there are a couple observations that I can make that I hope will clear the air on this Linux thread. Yes, I am going to talk about Linux, and I take issue with several of the points that Joystick made. First of all, I run a dual boot with XP and Simply Mepis 6.5, a distribution based on Ubuntu. I had no trouble configuring any of the hardware on either operating system. That includes a wireless network. One thing I can say is that in terms of stability, this flavor of Linux is miles ahead of any version of Windows that I have had, which includes 3.1, 95. 98, W2K and XP. It just runs better, doesn't crash or freeze, and it has a support community second to none that has an enormous tolerance for newbies. It is different, it takes some getting used to, but I have no interest in ever upgrading to Vista when I have an alternative like this. Nice desktops, too, as sophisticated as any on the Windows platform, if that is what you want. The number of distributions is distracting. I decided on mine after a good deal of research. I am not a programmer and I don't need to be to use this operating system. If I can use it anyone can. If you want to check it out, go here: http://www.mepis.org. I tried another distribution and it would not install correctly. Not all distros are created equally. If you want to see where Linux is headed in terms of professional audio and video, here is the place to find out: http://64studio.com. There is no Live CD for this distro, but there is a well established user community, abundant documentation, and the 2.0 release of its software suite just became available. I have a Presonus Firepod, and I know that Presonus is under considerable pressure to work with the open source movement to develop fully optimized drivers. I would guess that other manufacturers are feeling the same type of pressure. It cannot happen soon enough. Anyone who has to have certain Windows programs can run them using virtualization software (i.e. VMWare). Many Linux users are doing that already. For just about everything else in Windows, though, there is now an open source program that is equal or better. Linux is more of a realistic option now than it ever was. Its use in professional audio and video is only a matter of time, and it won't be as long as everyone here has predicted. If BootCamp will enable Sonar to run on Intel-based Macs, it would make sense for Cakewalk to look at the viability of making it available to Linux users as well. Someone has to be first, and whoever it is will be surprised at how large the user base will be. WT
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/08 09:53:09
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Dave ... What distro are you running? I've been messing with Ubuntu a bit but networking is just too unpredictable. Thanks, Steve
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RE: Linux Ardour Blows Sonar and Windows Away.
2007/12/08 10:36:52
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Long time linux user here as well and were it not for wide range of audio hardware supported and of course my Cakewalk products, I would not have any Windows in the house. Linux has long been surrounded by a lot of hype and FUD, but it is an extremely flexible, robust, configurable and secure OS. I've been running SuSE since it was Slackware and had a few flirts with Red Hat and also Debian in the mid- to late-nineties, but at the end of the day, SuSE meets my needs. Ubuntu is OK, I've installed it once just to see what it was like, but fundamentally, I want more configurability. Ubuntu's basic goal is to simplify the set-up and use. Don't know why you would have trouble with networking under any linux distro, but I have seen Network Manager be flaky when compared with the long-time stable ifup.
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