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2017/01/02 07:43:12 (permalink)

List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years

Alston Release - January 2015 - Pattern Tool
Alston Release - January 2015 - Midi Time Stretch
Alston Release - January 2015 - PRV Zoom
 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 08:30:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/01/02 08:32:38
Oh, you mean "MIDI editor", not MIDI. The latter hasn't seen significant additions since 1999.
 
Wasn't the pattern tool introduced in SONAR 4 or 5? I don't remember, as I have never used it.
 
 


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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 08:34:07 (permalink)
Pattern Tool is part of the Alston Release. It's that paint roller tool, where you can copy and roll out the pattern.

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 09:05:24 (permalink)
MIDI Stretch. Hold down the Shift/Ctrl keys and you can stretch or contract a midi clip.
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 09:17:11 (permalink)
Was that in Alston or before?
 

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 09:46:18 (permalink)
One of the most important features that CW released is a PRV zoom that is very useful. 

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 09:55:38 (permalink)
When was that added?

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 10:36:51 (permalink)
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When was that added?


Jan 2015. There have been a lot of MIDI enhancements in the last two years. If you look at the rolling updates page it will list most of them. Here is a vid of some of them.  https://www.cakewalk.com/.../SONAR/Rolling-Updates

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 10:49:24 (permalink)
Here's a few.
 
Pattern Tool
Onscreen Virtual Controller
PRV Enhancements
The new PRV features more realistic piano keys, optimized vertical zoom resolution, and many other improvements.
MIDI Enhancements - in many of the updates
SONAR now allows for MIDI time-stretching, velocity layering, and additional functionality to make editing MIDI even easier.
50 fixes and enhancements for the Piano Roll View in Cambridge, more in Dorchester and most updates sinceetc etc
Better Drum Maps

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 10:49:54 (permalink)
So again, two years ago, not really in the last two years, It's January 2017 now. Nothing has happened since Alston with any new MiDI editing functions.
 
I had missed the very bottom of the screen when I posted, my firefox has been loading funny this evening, but it's all two years ago.
 
Hopefully they add something before the end of this month, So I can't make a post i February listing nothing in the last two years.
 
 

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 11:02:01 (permalink)
Thats the time span you indicated. However there were others through the months. Some in 2016. Then again you asked me to show when the PRV zoom was implemented and I did. Its unreasonable to then say it was fully two years ago. It seems that you have a view that even against the evidence will still hold to your faulty premise.   

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 11:10:53 (permalink)
'There have been a lot of MIDI enhancements in the last two years.'
 
two extra things to my list John, not 'a lot of' at all.  Yes it was in the last two year, but it was two years ago. Your post implies 'lots of' thng hapeing in the last two years, when it;s been barren. Just some fixes, but nothing new.
 
It's mainly been about mix workflows, and MIDI has been left high a dry. My Premise isn't faulty at all. And your two suggestions from two years ago prove that.

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 11:15:30 (permalink)
iirc, the most recent midi changes happened around @SilkTone's reports?

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 11:20:38 (permalink)
Were they fixes, or new functions. There's been plenty of fixes, there's no denying that. But new ways to create and edit, added flexibility to existing functions, nothing since Sonar Plat,Pro and Artist release in Alston

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 11:24:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2017/01/02 11:35:23
yeah they were fixes rather than new stuff, but i think we do have st to thank for any fixes since then (he had quite a battle at the time to even get the bugs acknowledged)

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 11:36:30 (permalink)
Searching for "Midi" in the Sonar updates page gives the following:
September 2015: Synth Recording
April 2015: Better Drum Maps (Soloing), New MIDI Engine
March 2015: Onscreen Virtual Controller
January 2015: Pattern Tool, MIDI Enhancements, PRV Enhancements


That's really not much after the initial release, and nothing in 2016. But then, what would be needed? A better drum map editor and improvements for staff view (triplets, staccato, and several other) would come to my mind. After all, midi is a pretty old standard and midi editing is well supported in Sonar.
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 12:11:42 (permalink)
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So again, two years ago, not really in the last two years, It's January 2017 now. Nothing has happened since Alston with any new MiDI editing functions.
 
I had missed the very bottom of the screen when I posted, my firefox has been loading funny this evening, but it's all two years ago.
 
Hopefully they add something before the end of this month, So I can't make a post i February listing nothing in the last two years.
 
 


Two years ago isn't in the last two years? Who knew?..

Several of the ones I listed came after Alston, but I guess we see what we want to see.

As for genuinely new features as opposed to enhancements (which is entirely different to bug fixes), perhaps there are limits to what else can be done.

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 12:30:08 (permalink)
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September 2015: Synth Recording




That one is "Huuuuuuge"!!!

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 12:34:16 (permalink)
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Here's a few.
 
Pattern Tool (Alston)
Onscreen Virtual Controller (Not really)
PRV Enhancements
The new PRV features more realistic piano keys, optimized vertical zoom resolution, and many other improvements. (Alston)
MIDI Enhancements - in many of the updates (Fixes, but not new functionality)
SONAR now allows for MIDI time-stretching, velocity layering, and additional functionality to make editing MIDI even easier.(Alston)
50 fixes and enhancements for the Piano Roll View in Cambridge, more in Dorchester and most updates sinceetc etc (Fixes)
Better Drum Maps (Okay maybe, I don't use to know how it changed)


So with the exception of the drum map changes, which aren't really helping editing, which is the functionality I'm getting at. It's 3 things two years ago all in the Allston release.
 
The Keyboard doesn't really expand functionality, unless you are on the move.
 
In the 2 years since the release and I did in my OP mention Alston,  PRV, SS and Staff View have had nothing added. There is another post running at t he moment talking about controller data being more clumsy than in 8.5. Yet the demand for these functions has increased for many users with more and more capabilities of Orchestral Samplers.
 
We are not seeing new features and functions for editing MIDI, we are seeing fixes, but my title indicates functionality. The drum maps and do help with the set up, but it's not helping beyond that.

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 12:39:13 (permalink)
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September 2015: Synth Recording




That one is "Huuuuuuge"!!!


Yes and that is more Audio than MIDI, tool and audio function. It was huge and a big battle to make the case by a broad range of users. But it's not really MIDI, it's the taking out of midi into Audio. The general case made was that midi data couldn't work for this process, as the bakers were arguing, why can't you just use the midi controller data, but you couldn't for work with the MIDI for some of what was wanted to be captured, it was the audio result that mattered

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 12:42:42 (permalink)
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But then, what would be needed? A better drum map editor and improvements for staff view (triplets, staccato, and several other) would come to my mind. After all, midi is a pretty old standard and midi editing is well supported in Sonar.




I see a few MIDI ideas over here that would be nice to have ...
 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 12:51:35 (permalink)
The chord track another feature that was popular. I've long requested a midi chord device, but I've never used Cubase, so I don't know the chord track, and if that would serve the purpose, but I think it's along the same lines. Both ideas received a lot of votes.
 
There has been a lot of fixes. a lot of integration advancements, such as ARA (which is amazing), but the focus for me feels like it towards mixing. Many are in favour of this, but in the compositional side, there has been improvement to audio, not to MIDI. I personally think the balance is off. It's not like MIDI is dying, the soft synths and samplers are more capable than ever, and what they can produce is still advancing. 
 
Admittedly ripple editing would fall into both MIDI and Audio functionality.
 

 
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 13:05:16 (permalink)
Enhancements are not fixes.

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 13:24:46 (permalink)
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Enhancements are not fixes.



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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 13:28:46 (permalink)
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The chord track another feature that was popular. I've long requested a midi chord device, but I've never used Cubase, so I don't know the chord track, and if that would serve the purpose, but I think it's along the same lines. Both ideas received a lot of votes.
 
There has been a lot of fixes. a lot of integration advancements, such as ARA (which is amazing), but the focus for me feels like it towards mixing. Many are in favour of this, but in the compositional side, there has been improvement to audio, not to MIDI. I personally think the balance is off. It's not like MIDI is dying, the soft synths and samplers are more capable than ever, and what they can produce is still advancing. 
 
Admittedly ripple editing would fall into both MIDI and Audio functionality.
 



I'm going to check out the demo of Cubase Elements 9 when it is released in a few weeks.  I downloaded the user guide, and after looking over the MIDI section on the MIDI chord track, the chord features, plus the arranger track, it might be useful for composition work.  Then just export the .mid over to Sonar for tracking and audio mixing. 
 
Elements doesn't have the professional version of notation and score editing, but the other MIDI enhancements seem to be there.  The Pro version also offers the full recording and mixing environment, but Sonar does that well too, and I already know it
 
Elements 9 is already out, but they are not releasing a demo until their first maintenance release.
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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 13:32:52 (permalink)
Also ran across this yesterday.  Looks interesting for $49
 
Odesi
http://odesi.mixedinkey.com/
 
When you’re done with your Odesi session, you will have a 100% composed track that’s ready for sound design. All your Melodies, Chord Progressions, Basslines and other tracks will be finished and ready for MIDI Export. You can create your entire composition inside Odesi 2.0.

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 13:54:52 (permalink)
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The chord track another feature that was popular. I've long requested a midi chord device, but I've never used Cubase, so I don't know the chord track, and if that would serve the purpose, but I think it's along the same lines. Both ideas received a lot of votes.
 
There has been a lot of fixes. a lot of integration advancements, such as ARA (which is amazing), but the focus for me feels like it towards mixing. Many are in favour of this, but in the compositional side, there has been improvement to audio, not to MIDI. I personally think the balance is off. It's not like MIDI is dying, the soft synths and samplers are more capable than ever, and what they can produce is still advancing. 
 
Admittedly ripple editing would fall into both MIDI and Audio functionality.
 



I'm going to check out the demo of Cubase Elements 9 when it is released in a few weeks.  I downloaded the user guide, and after looking over the MIDI section on the MIDI chord track, the chord features, plus the arranger track, it might be useful for composition work.  Then just export the .mid over to Sonar for tracking and audio mixing. 
 
Elements doesn't have the professional version of notation and score editing, but the other MIDI enhancements seem to be there.  The Pro version also offers the full recording and mixing environment, but Sonar does that well too, and I already know it
 
Elements 9 is already out, but they are not releasing a demo until their first maintenance release.
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https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/cubase_elements.html




Chord Track in Elements is different than the one in Artist/Pro. You might want to try Artist since it's much more capable. I run Pro in the studio and Elements on my laptop.

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 14:09:53 (permalink)
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The chord track another feature that was popular. I've long requested a midi chord device, but I've never used Cubase, so I don't know the chord track, and if that would serve the purpose, but I think it's along the same lines. Both ideas received a lot of votes.
 
There has been a lot of fixes. a lot of integration advancements, such as ARA (which is amazing), but the focus for me feels like it towards mixing. Many are in favour of this, but in the compositional side, there has been improvement to audio, not to MIDI. I personally think the balance is off. It's not like MIDI is dying, the soft synths and samplers are more capable than ever, and what they can produce is still advancing. 
 
Admittedly ripple editing would fall into both MIDI and Audio functionality.
 



I'm going to check out the demo of Cubase Elements 9 when it is released in a few weeks.  I downloaded the user guide, and after looking over the MIDI section on the MIDI chord track, the chord features, plus the arranger track, it might be useful for composition work.  Then just export the .mid over to Sonar for tracking and audio mixing. 
 
Elements doesn't have the professional version of notation and score editing, but the other MIDI enhancements seem to be there.  The Pro version also offers the full recording and mixing environment, but Sonar does that well too, and I already know it
 
Elements 9 is already out, but they are not releasing a demo until their first maintenance release.
$99
https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/cubase_elements.html




Chord Track in Elements is different than the one in Artist/Pro. You might want to try Artist since it's much more capable. I run Pro in the studio and Elements on my laptop.




Artist is $330.  Would it be $230 better than Elements for the chord function, if that's all I was getting it for?  If I was to get Elements, would never plan to record or mix any audio in there.  But just for MIDI sequencer arranging only...

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 14:25:12 (permalink)
There could be upcoming extensions to the MIDI spec, so companies are waiting on them before doing extensive updates. Just sayin.'

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Re: List of all new Midi functions in the past 2 years 2017/01/02 14:28:04 (permalink)
If the Pattern Tool is the same as the Pattern Brush Tool, that's not new. I've had the Brush since SONAR Home Studio 6.

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