Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard

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2013/02/12 02:18:53 (permalink)

Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard

Hey, I am used to using Logic Exs24 to insert a very large amount of chopped samples from the arranger in into its editor window. Setting The contiguous zones, setting  polyphony to 1, saving instrument. Now the samples play across the keyboard and cut each other of if need be.

Now I work on Pc. Giving Sonar x2 a try. Can anyone lay out the steps similar to what I was doing/A new way to get the same results with Dimention pro/le or perhaps its a different vst sampler that does this? 

I would think this is a noob question, but I can't find any answers posted for it. 
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    robert_e_bone
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 04:40:26 (permalink)
    I used to build such things with Kontakt - been awhile, but I built up replica recreations of some of the Pink Floyd sounds (I made them from scratch), for the beginning of Time (clocks), and cash registers and coin sounds for Money, so that my band could play these tunes live.  I had different register sounds and coins on different keys, like what you are trying to do - if I understood your post properly.

    That worked pretty well - I do not at the moment know if one could do that with Dim Pro - if I get enough coffee into me I will take a look at doing so and will post back later on today.

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 04:53:17 (permalink)
    Yeah, this is one area that I think Sonar is lacking in.  I'm about to do a feature request on it, as a matter of fact.

    You can do it, but it's not as easy as you describe it.  First, you must chop your samples up in whatever way you can (manual or use Audiosnap), then use something like Session Drummer 3 to drag/drop your samples into that.  You will only get the number of samples supported by Session Drummer at any one time, and not across the keyboard.

    If your really serious about this, you can do like Bob mentions and consider something like Kontakt.  And if you're going to do that, you should probably consider one of the Komplete packages.  Right now's a good time because NI's having a sale on it.

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 04:59:50 (permalink)
    robert_e_bone

    That worked pretty well - I do not at the moment know if one could do that with Dim Pro - if I get enough coffee into me I will take a look at doing so and will post back later on today.

    Bob Bone
    You can, but then you have to get into making your own SFZ files, AFAIK.
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 05:00:40 (permalink)
    Wouldn't DropZone be the right tool for that? It's a sampler.

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 05:10:08 (permalink)
    Dropzone only supports 2 different elements  at a time.  The OP wants to map many across the keyboard.   
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 05:59:26 (permalink)
    Create an sfz file with a text editor, sfZed or SFZ_ProgramEditor to work with one of the sfz engine synths in CW or sforzando. Another free solution would be the TX16Wx sampler.
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 08:05:44 (permalink)
    yeah - any decent sample editor should allow you to construct this kind of mapping - I happen to own Kontakt, and it is really pretty solid for me - scook had some good ideas there too.

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 09:48:38 (permalink)
    Right off the top of my head. I would say build a template (i have one called MPC).

    First two track are audio tracks so I can drag in the section of music I want to chop. using audiosnap.

    Next two track are loaded with session drummer (cause it only has a limited number of slots I use two)

    and in the dock is the matrix (to drop samples to also)

    and just map your keyboard in the pref menu to match the paino roll
    --I came from logic to sonar and I know just waht your tlakign about that how i use to make beats back then  (exs and idrum...). Its just in sonar you have to change your thinking a bit. In logic your trying to mimic an ASR or motif like set-up. No so in sonar think of it more as a toolbox with different tools to chop your samples that all feed into the track view.....(hope that helps...)
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 11:43:18 (permalink)
    There's no way to actualy do it with Sonar.  I have tried.  As others have pointed out, you can chop samples and drag the pieces into session drummer, but that is not even close to what you are used to.  The sfz solutiion is even worse because it would require it be done for every single sample. Kontakt or even geist will give you what you need.  otherwise what eq said is the best you are going to get for now using Sonar tools.
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 12:04:23 (permalink)
    How about Independence Free? I haven't tried it but it seems like it might be the VST equivalent to Structure Free in Pro Tools. I used that a lot, you just drag audio clips over to it and it automatically maps them to your keyboard. From the blurb, Independence Free says you can work with up to 25 audio files which is a limitation, but you can always upgrade to the full version for $65 which I presume has no such limitation. 

    http://pro.magix.com/en/i...endence-free.1013.html

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 12:20:06 (permalink)
    Sharke, will it map a chopped sample similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1-vDTsmN9M
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 12:41:29 (permalink)
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    Sharke, will it map a chopped sample similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1-vDTsmN9M

    I don't know, why not try the free version? It touts itself as a quick way to create instruments from samples, so I'd be very surprised if you can't just drag sliced clips into it like you can with Groove Agent or Structure. 

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 13:33:31 (permalink)
    downloading the demo. Think i tried it years ago and it is more along the lines if a sample player like dim pro than full fledged sampler but it's worth a try. Sucks that Poise is only 32-bit or it would be a good low-cost MPC styler solution
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 13:42:02 (permalink)
    i have to say...I am already hating magix's bloated install
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 15:53:26 (permalink)
    DubDisciple, how did Independent stack up? That Cubase video was straightforward and thats what I was looking for with sampling in Sonar. 

    I'd be pretty willing to buy a new software sampler if it can do this function which I am requesting. I'm not looking for the most feature packed/complicated. Just a function similar to the Exs 24 at a price point perhaps. I'm not looking for libraries and libraries of sounds either.

    Do Native Instrument's kontakt or Fxpansion Geist have any tutorial videos showing how to do this easily? Maybe a just a write up on how to? 
    I have to say I love Sonar for its learning curve and being somewhat similar in nature to Logic. But this one thing is very important to me in how I made music, and really distracts me from all that is good with Sonar. Maybe I shouldn't be so fixated. Thank you all for the replies. I was guess and checking how to do this in Sonar myself, and it wasn't working out.
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 18:47:31 (permalink)
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    "Do Native Instrument's kontakt or Fxpansion Geist have any tutorial videos showing how to do this easily? Maybe a just a write up on how to?"  
     
    Hey hmtawil,
    If you own X2 Producer version, you can get the 30 day free All Access Pass to the Groove3 video tuts (fairly extensive list for Kontakt explained there by the way).  Just checked some of them & it looks like maybe what you want.  The link is in the sticky list at top of forum.
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 21:06:36 (permalink)
    Hi hmtawil ! 

    I know what you mean with Logic and EXS24, this is one awesome feature of logic, to be able to transfer any audio to a sampler channel easily.

    There are no way of doing this as effectively in Sonar, maybe with Beatscape? or even the matrix ?

    Otherwise, I would take a look at either NI Battery, or Kontakt.

    Cheers ! 
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 21:07:53 (permalink)
    So far i have not been having much luck. if it is possible, it is not intuitive and certainly not easy. With geist, I suspect this is exactly what you are looking for as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwAHIDicQ3k. Groove agent used to be sold as a plugin on it's own. I know there is a new version of groove agent being released soon that may solve your problem instead of resorting to workarounds. I wanted to use groove agent as a plugin in sonar but unfortunately it is a vst3 plugin and ...well (insert vst3 complaint thread here).
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 21:36:57 (permalink)
    Actually Battery sounds like a good idea, it's so easy to drag samples into the cells and map them to keys. Don't know why I didn't think of this before. 

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 21:44:19 (permalink)
    Does anyone use Cyclone anymore?
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 22:55:04 (permalink)
    I was going to try kontakt out, then I saw the price. After hearing Battery was easy to map samples, I tried out the Battery 3 demo. And sampling was actually really straight forward and in your face, instead of stuff happening behind the scenes. 

    All I did was save a groove clip using save loop, saved it as a wave file. Within Battery's built in media browser, I opened up the Acidized wave file I was talking about, and It automatically opened a big enough grid of samples, and layed them out across the pads/keyboard. Many more sample clips could have been loaded as there were blank pads left to be used. Its a small mpc style pad/grid looking vst when you first open it, but it definitly expands quit a bit. There's even an easy drop down menu to change the grid size manually. The samples played one after the other, cutting each other off. Pretty sweat.

    Then I just tried dragging and dropping to see the effect. I just loaded a new/blank kit. Changed the grid size, then selected all the chopped samples, dragged then over the pad/grid ui in battery 3. The grid/pads highlighted yellow, I let go of the mouse, boom, they were ready to be played/saved as a kit.

    Thanks for that Geist video. That was pretty dope. Really dope actually. Kinda makes me want it, seeing as how battery 3 and Geist are in the same price range. 

    Not going to lie though, Battery made it really easy to load the samples, much like I wanted. Thanks for all the suggestions. As it stand right now, I'm going to download Geist demo and decide between the two, but I don't think you can match Batterys user friendly sampling ability (besides Exs 24, whom I still Love) 

    Thanks for the input everybody. If anyone has anything else to add, I'm always all ears.
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 23:03:28 (permalink)
    scook...did anyone use cyclone to begin with. I always thought cyclone was a good idea that never quite caught on. If I'm not mistaken it did have neat trick of being able to map out regions created in soundforge. It's been awhile.
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 23:09:05 (permalink)
    Battery is also a first rate drum machine. The kits you get with it are excellent, it's a breeze to make your own, the in-house processing is great and it's an absolute doddle to set up the multi-outs (unlike Kontakt). I think it's one of my most used plugs, I never thought about using it to trigger chopped up beats though. Great idea. 

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 23:16:05 (permalink)
    If you do go with battery, Komplete bundle is on sale for $399. That includes, Battery, Kontakt and 25 other plugins. Thinking about biting myself
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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/12 23:33:41 (permalink)
    Or you probably can get a second-hand licence of it, or Komplete somewhere online,
    like at KVRaudio forums, or eBay...

    FYI' Battery3 has been around for a while, if ever you find a licence for Komplete 5, 6, or 7 on the cheap, you'll get the same version of Battery in the bundle, only, you'll have Kontakt 4, and less samples. which IMO is no big deal.

    Cheers ! 

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/13 00:14:46 (permalink)
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    If you do go with battery, Komplete bundle is on sale for $399. That includes, Battery, Kontakt and 25 other plugins. Thinking about biting myself

    You do realize that Komplete is a gateway drug that leads to Komplete Ultimate.....I ended up making the upgrade when they had that on offer too. Although if I was in the market for it now I'd be tempted to wait for Komplete 9...whenever that is. 


    I have so much fun with Komplete. There are so many amazing synths and plugs and effects chains. Even if you're not making a tune, you can have fun all night with the sequencers and grooveboxes in Reaktor. I was going to work on a track tonight but ended up playing with the Limelite groovebox/sequencer for 2 hours. Soooo much fun. 

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    Re:Loading Many Multiples of chopped Samples to play across keyboard 2013/02/13 05:38:04 (permalink)
    I can just see the Public Service Announcement where the kid gets caught clandestinely creating his own Reaktor synths and tearfully proclaims 'I learned it from you!"
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