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Long May You Live - remix - 12/9/12 version 1.3

Hi, friends, I just posted my latest song for your invaluable help and time.  This is a tongue in cheek look at my life, so if anyone happens to see themselves in this song, it's purely coincidental.  I started this about 10 days ago, so it's still in the nursing stage of life.  Except for Superior Drummer, it was recorded entirely in the box in X2.  As always, I'm grateful of your time and assistance with my music.  I hope you enjoy.



12/9/12:  Here is mix #4.  Thanks to Danny Danzi and Beagle for their golden ears I was able to track down the reason for clicks in the last couple of mixes.  The output of TH2 was overloading, so I backed it down to a safe level and remixed.  Foxwolfen suggested more low end, so I raised the HPF on the bass drum and guitar to let more lows in.  I hope this helps satisfy those concerns; I certainly hear a difference.
      
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Days just keep on passing by
It looks like I've got nothing left but time
Years don't have that far to go
Do I have enough to do the crime?
   When I look back on what I've done
   No one ever held a gun on me
   Words will never be my alibi
   The path I took is plain for all to see
I'm not afraid of who I am
I only fear the person I can be
 
CHORUS:            Far as I can tell
                        I'm as close as I can get to the gates of hell
                        Long may you live
                        I only hope that you can still forgive
 
Change can be so hard to bear
There's nothing close that even comes to mind
Life gets harder every day
When it should be easier to find
   Goals can be so hard to reach
   They can take your confidence away
   Ends that I know I'll never meet
   Make it easier to go astray
Pray before I go to sleep
There's no guarantee I'll wake today
 
CHORUS
 
Life... has been good to me
I wish that I had been there for it all
Love's... been a tragedy
But, each and every time it's been a ball








post edited by Lynn - 2012/12/09 12:16:32

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    notnat
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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/05 17:50:32 (permalink)
    Wow... that's knocked out... I love it...

    the recording is very hot... something is clipping... Vox???  
    But then, that may be intentional... I still love it... needs a better ending...
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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/05 22:43:04 (permalink)
    cool song - I like the different levels of dry/wet on the vocal on certain lines - very effective (I could be stealing that one). The drums should be driving the song and they seem a bit lost in the mix IMO.
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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/05 23:03:27 (permalink)
    Holy Moly! I love this!! IMHO I'd bring up the drums as Daryl said and the guitar leads/fills up a bit. Everything else I hear is fine. GREAT TUNE LYNN! 

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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/05 23:08:48 (permalink)
    This song is crying out for "guitar..." I hear something that sounds like a guitar in the background? 

    I would add a rhythm guitar, and fix whatever it is you've done to that poor guitar :-( (in this version? It's been abused...)

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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/06 01:47:48 (permalink)
    I like your voice lynn. Smooth. I was thinking much the same as Robbie. Needs something bigger for the guitar.

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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/06 04:36:13 (permalink)
    Hey, Lynn,
     
    Cool and very creative song with great lyrics, excellent vocals and instrumental performances!
     
    I really love the keyboards on this one, and also the wild bass lines.  I do think I agree with Daryl and Bill that maybe the drums could be "beefed up" a little bit to fill out the center of the very busy mix.  Of course, that's only subjective personal opinion, and the song sounds great as it is.
     
    Really nice work, Lynn, good stuff, buddy!
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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/06 05:52:20 (permalink)
    Cool! Nice song and arrangement.. good playing and vocals.. thumbs up!


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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/06 20:47:35 (permalink)
    Frank, thanks for listening.  I'm not sure what's distorting, but I remastered a bit lower this time.

    Dary, thanks for your time and comments.  I boosted the drums on this mix and paid attentions to the EQ this time.  Good call.  The wet/dry technique has been around for a while, but I love it in situations where I can vary the texture of the mix.

    bayoubill, you have good ears, and I have taken your suggestions with this new mix.  Thanks for helping.

    Robbie, I hope you hear what you're looking for this time.  Rather than go with a rhythm guitar, I chose to use the electric piano that comes with X2.  I appreciate your time and good ears.

    Shad, thanks for stopping by.  Let me know if this version is closer to what you hear.  It's alway good to hear from you.

    Bob, thank you for you kind comments.  As stated above, the drums have been beefed up a bit.  I'm curious to know if it's enough.


    The new mix can be found here:  http://www.soundclick.com...hi&songID=12036664  or in my first post.
    post edited by Lynn - 2012/12/07 16:11:19

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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/06 21:13:38 (permalink)
    Sounds great... what a cool song... I like the fade out better at the end...
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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/06 22:26:17 (permalink)
    Very carnival-esque and also Yes inspired esp w/ the cool lesley-ish organ sounds- 

    funky in a Frank Zappa sorta way - but with an homage to the 80s sound w/ upbeat rhythm track and affected digi-snare envelope  

    love the gruffness of your voice & harmonies- a rugged beauty here- i think you could raise the vox a tad 

    guitar solo could be longer? and more up front in mix.  there is some Steely Dan in there too in a Donald Fagen way in terms of overall soundscape.... adding a classic and archetypal sound dimension.

    enjoyed this immensely, dude-  great song. one that you want to play over and over a few times thoroughly enjoy all the wheels going 'round :) 

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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/06 23:26:33 (permalink)
    This is trivial, but you should give it 1 to 1.5 seconds of silence in the beginning :-) Told you it was trivial?

    I listened again and listened to the pie-anne rhythem part, I can hear where you're going. it's over here ------> Why not a corresponding r-guit part over here? <-------- ? It could be a simple on the beat strumming part? da da da da da da da on the root? With the keys doing their melody part over there ------>

    I like the tune, it just seems like something is either there that shouldn't be, or not there that should be. But hey? We're all producers, every one of us, and if you ask 5 different people for honest opinions? You'll get 5 different honest opinions :-) Ain't creativity grand?
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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/07 00:56:36 (permalink)
    Lynn I love this song. Your arrangement skills and ideas always seem great to me. Musically this is one of your better ones. Everything I hear from you is great so it is hard to judge which one is best. Awesome job my friend!!!

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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/07 06:33:36 (permalink)
    Lynn, really enjoyed this myself. I didn't hear the other mix you did, but the three things that come to mind for me are...

    1. Vocals seem to get a little lost at times when all the instruments are full bore.

    2. Mix seems a little bright due to the drums. Like the cymbals and snare are pretty bright to me. This could be due to 2 things:

    a. You need to low pass your verb on the drums as the high end in it *could* make your drums sound a little snappier than they should due to the verb.

    b. Try backing some high end down on the snare and cymbals.

    3. This mix is rather loud...which I'm not used to hearing from you. It doesn't sound too squashed or anything, but it's really loud on my end and my monitors are like 1/4 up. I hear a little something weird going on when all the instruments are wide open. It gets kind of jumbled. I can't put my finger on what it is...it very well could be a bit too much limiting, but it's definitely hot.

    I love the song, the arrangement and all you did here. Your voice sounds great too! I think with a few tweaks, this will be in great shape. The "bright" thing is sort of subjective. Some mixes sound good a little bright and get that "poppy" sound...which is good. But this one seemed to hit my high end threshold pretty hard and I've been recording, mixing, and mastering since 6 pm. LOL! So my ears are nearly fried about now and the highs are still hitting pretty hard. A fresh listen to this and it may be a little much for me....but see what you think now that I've brought it to your attention. I'll listen fresh and let you know if I still hear it when I get up if this mix is still up.

    Really nice job though, great song with lots of elements to enjoy! :)

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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/07 07:40:58 (permalink)
    Nice arrangement. Love the roomy snare sound, the phasey clav, the nifty synth licks. A clean and clear mix.

    The toms wimp out a little when they take over, though. Lemme throw out some of my favorite SD tom tricks for you to consider:
    - use the envelope controls to take a couple milliseconds off the ring of the floor tom
    - apply the built-in transient shaper to bring out the initial hits (1db boost to the attack is often all it takes)
    - just for grins, consider some subtle parallel distortion on the toms

    Probably wouldn't hurt to bring up the kick a little, too.


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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/07 07:48:11 (permalink)
    Yep... cool tune. Enjoyable tune for sure...

    I do like the way Danny put it that when everything is full bore the vox get a bit lost and the mix sounds a tad bit jumbled. The drums also at that point are sounding like they are doing some massive crazy thing.... but it adds to the confusion in the mix...... at least that is what it sounds like to me.

    Initially I misread the title..... I thought it was a cover of Mr Young's Long may you run.... 

    The intro was kinda like Stix a bit with the synths.... 

    Over all, I like it. 

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    Re:Long May You Live - new song 2012/12/07 10:23:23 (permalink)
    Frank, thanks for taking the time to listen again.  I did the ending per your suggestion, and I'm happy that I changed it.

    Daren, I love the way you write a critique.  I'm hearing similar comments on the vocal, so it will be my next priority.  I'll pay attention to the gtr solos, as well.  Thanks for stopping by and congrats on your new stuff.

    Robbie, thank you for the second listen.  I thought about adding a 2nd gtr., but as you can see from some comments, it's pretty cluttered already.  Yet, these are good ideas and give me something to think about.

    Marcus, I appreciate your comments and compliment.  I feel the same about your material.

    Danny, thank you so much for weighing in.  I'm going to make your ideas a priority on the next pass.  It's ideas like this that I look for.  I will try to give this mix more breathing room and balance the drums better.  I'm getting a clearer picture, now.

    Dave, thanks for stopping by.  Your suggestions about SD are what I needed.  I'm still getting to know the program and it's own f/x, but this is what I need to point me in the right direction.  You can be sure that between you and Danny and the others, this song will continue to grow.

    Herb, I appreciate your comments which reflect much of what I'm hearing from others.  I'll be working on this all day, so I hope to have a much improved version up before long.  You and all the others who have commented help me immensely in my little Hobbit cave.

    Thanks again to all!!

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/07 16:15:30 (permalink)
    Today, I remixed this for the third time per your suggestions.  The details are on my first post.  It can be found there or here:  http://www.soundclick.com...hi&songID=12036664 


    Thanks to all for participating in this production!

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/07 16:30:03 (permalink)
     I like the rhythm on this and the guitar panned left. The keys sit in there perfect. Your voice reminds me of David Lee Roth. Very well put together Lynn. It is always fun to hear what you came up with!

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/07 16:43:48 (permalink)
    Super tune and with SD good, but what a voice it is - crying out loud - fantastic!
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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/07 19:19:43 (permalink)
    Lynn


    Today, I remixed this for the third time per your suggestions.  The details are on my first post.  It can be found there or here:  http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?q=hi&songID=12036664 


    Thanks to all for participating in this production!
    There we go!!! 1000% better Lynn! Totally lovin' this new one! One slight little crit..lol....I'm sorry, it kills me to even say this!
     
    I'm hearing a few little clicks here and there through the mix. It could be soundclick or maybe there are a few overs that went down during your conversion? When I hear these little things, it's usually something clipping somewhere or once I convert from a higher to lower bit/sample rates using the same output settings, it will clip because the file has changed. Do this to an mp3 and it will really stick out.
     
    It seems like it's only coming from your guitar on the left side now that I'm listening a bit closer. Do you hear them at all? It's not that clicky "lack of crossfade due to a punch-in" type of click, it sounds like something may just be clipping somewhere. I didn't hear this on the version I heard this morning but then again, my ears weren't as sensitive as they are now that they're fresh.
     
    But all the changes you made are spot on brother. Voice is there through the whole thing and clear as a bell...nice and thick, all instruments are strong and where they need to be, drums are now controlled and aren't lashing out with highs and the volume is at a perfectly sane level to my ears. Nothing jumbled either!
     
    If you're unsure of what I mean by the click thing, open up a project and jack up one of your busses until it starts to clip slightly. You'll hear these little click type artifacts come in. That's what I'm hearing. But other than that, man, really awesome job on the fixes...you nailed them all as far as I'm concerened. Great job Lynn!!! :)
     
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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/07 20:40:22 (permalink)
    this is awesome. really well put together song. all the parts are really well done.

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/07 20:59:45 (permalink)
    eko, thank you so much for your kind words.  It's always good to have Sweden represented!

    Danny, thank you for your sage suggestions.  Between you and Bitflipper, I got a handle on the transients of Superior Drummer.  I did cut the limiting in half and pulled down the upper mids on the mastering EQ, which helped a lot.  As for the clicking on the guitar, I just don't hear it on my system.  The guitar track in X2 is about -8db, so it's not coming from there.  The mp3 is encoded at 320 kbs, so I don't know if anything is getting lost in translation within Soundclick.  I do know what you mean, though.  I've learned the hard way about gain staging and digital overload.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I'll be listening for this.  If anyone else hears this, please let me know!

    David, the new Law and Order man, thanks for stopping by and your gracious comments.

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/07 21:01:39 (permalink)
    Kick azz song! Love the high energy.

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/07 22:12:26 (permalink)
    Danny, thank you for your sage suggestions. Between you and Bitflipper, I got a handle on the transients of Superior Drummer. I did cut the limiting in half and pulled down the upper mids on the mastering EQ, which helped a lot. As for the clicking on the guitar, I just don't hear it on my system. The guitar track in X2 is about -8db, so it's not coming from there. The mp3 is encoded at 320 kbs, so I don't know if anything is getting lost in translation within Soundclick. I do know what you mean, though. I've learned the hard way about gain staging and digital overload. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I'll be listening for this. If anyone else hears this, please let me know!

     
    Hi Lynn,
     
    So sorry if I'm driving you crazy with this. It's definitely a tough one to pinpoint especially if you can't hear it. I've done a little something which I hope you don't mind. I'm not one that likes to mention something and not support what I'm hearing as you know, so I took the liberty to hone in on this for you so (even if you can't fix it) you can at least hear what I'm hearing on this end.
     
    I've created two examples for you.
     
    1. This one, I have removed all your center fields which leaves us with just the sides of your song. You should be able to hear the little clicks/crackles a bit easier here. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/LongMayYouLiveDanny.mp3
     
    2. Next, I've removed the clicks/crackles totally to where I'm using as little of my click/crackle remover as possible. This is what we get when we remove the song completely and allow the remover to show us what IT is actually removing. What you hear on this is what I literally hear on your file when listening to it normally. It's nothing bad really and the music masks it rather well, but I know you don't want stuff like this in there if you can help it which is why I'm at least trying to show you how it comes across on my end. The tune and your mix is fine just as it is. Who knows, with my animal hearing, I may be the only one who can hear this...so my apologies if any of this sounds nit-picky. I honestly don't mean it to be and think the world of you. :) Here's the other:
     
    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/LongMayYouLiveDanny2.mp3
     
    Hope this helps at least to show you what I hear over here. :)
     
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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/08 01:09:27 (permalink)
    Lynn, I am very impressed with most of this production. The vox are carved out nicely, the mids ring true, highs are tamed.

    But. We have lost both energy in the lows, and crystal clarity in the highs. While the tone of the drums is present, its lacking the physical force (which is actually voltage) to move the cones and give me both a deep felt note and punch. Sadly I am just way to out of practice at the moment to give you specific advice and really delve deep into this to understand what is happening.

    My instinc is compression. Compression is a tricky thing, and then throwing EQ into the pot makes for a compicated stew. But I am not confident in this. Wish I could be more help.

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/08 13:52:25 (permalink)
    First of all, I want to thank both of you for taking the time to analyze this for me.  Danny, I'm impressed that you went to the trouble of creating these clips for my benefit.  I hear the crackles you're talking about when you isolate them in the mix.  Now, I just want to know why they are present.  Assume for a minute that I paid attention to gain staging throughout the recording process, even  reduced the compression and limiting throughout, and yet there they are.  This is only the second mix that I encoded as a 320 kbs mp3 to Soundclick.  Could there be a problem there?  Don't worry, I'm not going to assume that the problem isn't in my original tracks, therefore, I will be going over each individual track with a fine toothed comb anyway.  Again, thanks so much for your time and effort.

    Shad, I always appreciate your observations and take them seriously.  It seems that there's something of difference in the way you hear this, and the way Danny hears it.  Somewhere in the middle must be the answer.  Well, that gives me something to do this weekend between KU basketball and Chiefs football.  You guys are great, and you have helped me immensely in spite of seemingly contradictory statements.  Maybe, you're both in agreement after all, and it's my perception that is skewed.  I hope you both can be patient for a day or two, and I'll give this my undivided attention.
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    Danny, thank you for your sage suggestions. Between you and Bitflipper, I got a handle on the transients of Superior Drummer. I did cut the limiting in half and pulled down the upper mids on the mastering EQ, which helped a lot. As for the clicking on the guitar, I just don't hear it on my system. The guitar track in X2 is about -8db, so it's not coming from there. The mp3 is encoded at 320 kbs, so I don't know if anything is getting lost in translation within Soundclick. I do know what you mean, though. I've learned the hard way about gain staging and digital overload. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I'll be listening for this. If anyone else hears this, please let me know!

     
    Hi Lynn,
     
    So sorry if I'm driving you crazy with this. It's definitely a tough one to pinpoint especially if you can't hear it. I've done a little something which I hope you don't mind. I'm not one that likes to mention something and not support what I'm hearing as you know, so I took the liberty to hone in on this for you so (even if you can't fix it) you can at least hear what I'm hearing on this end.
     
    I've created two examples for you.
     
    1. This one, I have removed all your center fields which leaves us with just the sides of your song. You should be able to hear the little clicks/crackles a bit easier here. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/LongMayYouLiveDanny.mp3
     
    2. Next, I've removed the clicks/crackles totally to where I'm using as little of my click/crackle remover as possible. This is what we get when we remove the song completely and allow the remover to show us what IT is actually removing. What you hear on this is what I literally hear on your file when listening to it normally. It's nothing bad really and the music masks it rather well, but I know you don't want stuff like this in there if you can help it which is why I'm at least trying to show you how it comes across on my end. The tune and your mix is fine just as it is. Who knows, with my animal hearing, I may be the only one who can hear this...so my apologies if any of this sounds nit-picky. I honestly don't mean it to be and think the world of you. :) Here's the other:
     
    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/LongMayYouLiveDanny2.mp3
     
    Hope this helps at least to show you what I hear over here. :)
     
    -Danny


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    Lynn, I am very impressed with most of this production. The vox are carved out nicely, the mids ring true, highs are tamed.

    But. We have lost both energy in the lows, and crystal clarity in the highs. While the tone of the drums is present, its lacking the physical force (which is actually voltage) to move the cones and give me both a deep felt note and punch. Sadly I am just way to out of practice at the moment to give you specific advice and really delve deep into this to understand what is happening.

    My instinc is compression. Compression is a tricky thing, and then throwing EQ into the pot makes for a compicated stew. But I am not confident in this. Wish I could be more help.





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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/08 14:22:29 (permalink)
    Great work, Lynn.  

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/08 17:08:56 (permalink)
    Hey, Lynn,
    this is the first I've heard this one, I missed the previous mixes.

    this is sounding really good!  vocals are good and clear, guitars are sitting well.  I wouldn't mind hearing a little more thump/punch on the bass and kick.

    I do hear some pops throughout myself, I'm wondering if this is due to soundclick compression?  I have found that uploading a either a 16bit/44.1 or a 24bit/44.1k mix to soundclould seems to do much better on "encoding" when those streaming sites re-encode to 128.  and soundcloud seems to do a better job overall than soundclick does.  Just in my opinion, tho.

    this is really good, I really enjoyed it!

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    Re:Long May You Live - remix - 12/7/12 version 1.2 2012/12/08 17:17:13 (permalink)
    Jan, thank you for your time and comment!

    Reece, thanks for listening and commenting.  I had the same thought that you had.  Maybe it's time to upload to Soundcloud for an experiment.  I sure don't hear the clicks in my original wave file.  I'm glad to have people like you and Danny helping, and all the others who've inspired my work.

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