reberclark
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Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
I've been using SONAR (well, Cakewalk!) since the 90s when it was on floppy disks from Twelve-tone Systems. I am now using SONAR X3 Producer (64bit) and love it. However with an increase in video work I am considering moving to Digital Performer which is now available for PC. If more scoring-to-video features are in the works for SONAR I would love to know about them and I would stay with SONAR. Some of the things that are missing in Sonar for me are scoring items like a conductor track, streamers and punches, and "find tempo" which allows you to hit cue points accurately and easily. I've been using Frans Absil's external program "Film Music Tempo Calculation Tool": http://www.fransabsil.nl/htm/eventhit.htm - why not incorporate something similar into SONAR? The ability to slide the video track left and right freely would be an advantage as well. I never render video from SONAR and really don't need that. I do like the expanded types of video files that can be used in SONAR now. The addition of .mp4 helps a lot! So I'd rather not have to face the learning curve of DP and would love to have these few features included in SONAR. Cheers!
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/27 17:31:38
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☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/27 17:36:09
I'm with you! I score to video everyday and especially not being able to slide the video left and right is a major pain...If I need to start music before the picture it would be a big help to simply slide the video to the right. I know you can set time in and time out, but would be so much easier just to scoot it to the right and not worry about the time code.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/27 23:46:20
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☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/28 15:55:49
+1000 to all the above! I really do love Sonar and it keeps getting better with every update... but a few more features and improvements for working to picture would be amazing - and might help me convince some of my colleagues the same 
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/28 15:58:55
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I'm going to put this post in the "Feedback Loop > Features and Ideas" forum as well. If any developers are working on more scoring features maybe they'll post there. I'd love to pay for the "lifetime upgrades" and if scoring features are in the works it would be a done deal.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/28 16:51:13
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☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/28 18:02:31
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The ability to slide the video track left and right freely would be an advantage as well.
Just an FYI - you can do that now, but only with the DirectShow media platform selected as the default, and with native Windows formats (AVI and WMV).
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/28 17:03:46
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☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/28 18:02:40
You don't want to move to DP anyway, not the PC version, though its been 6 months or so since I was in a studio that used the mac version, still like sonar Plat better. I still have my cakewalk guitar tracks 8 for windows 3.1 lol and god I hated that program, did better writing a program in DOS to record with.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/28 18:04:51
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reberclark
The ability to slide the video track left and right freely would be an advantage as well.
Just an FYI - you can do that now, but only with the DirectShow media platform selected as the default, and with native Windows formats (AVI and WMV).
I had forgotten that. Most of the footage I am scoring to is in an mp4 wrapper for convenient exchange. It would be nice to be able to slide mp4s and movs as well. Plus, after a week of evaluating DP I'm concluding that it has very little more to offer than SONAR.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/28 18:05:50
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☄ Helpfulby jacksop 2017/06/12 15:14:18
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You don't want to move to DP anyway, not the PC version, though its been 6 months or so since I was in a studio that used the mac version, still like sonar Plat better. I still have my cakewalk guitar tracks 8 for windows 3.1 lol and god I hated that program, did better writing a program in DOS to record with.
I've had the DP Trial for a week and SONAR is much better. The differences I am seeing in the scoring tools are so small that I'm almost ready to conclude I'm sticking with SONAR.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/28 18:47:12
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☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/28 18:49:55
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The ability to slide the video track left and right freely would be an advantage as well.
Just an FYI - you can do that now, but only with the DirectShow media platform selected as the default, and with native Windows formats (AVI and WMV).
Unfortunately those formats are dinosaurs for anyone even semi-pro in video. Would love to see some updates to Sonar as it relates to working with video.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/29 08:35:22
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So Craig...you're saying that sliding the video forward and backwards is possible with WMV and AVI? How do I set that up in Sonar? Thanks for the help!
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/29 11:24:20
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☄ Helpfulby jacksop 2017/06/12 15:21:06
To be honest I don't see the advantage to working with video in any DAW program. I use Sony pro 10 and magix 15 as my video programs, for the price though magix is very easy to use and is only 60 bucks. I spent 300 on the bloody sony and it doesn't give you near the flex that even gopro has and was free lol.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/29 11:31:41
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☄ Helpfulby Steve_Karl 2016/11/01 13:25:29
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/29 11:35:34
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The ability to slide the video track left and right freely would be an advantage as well.
Just an FYI - you can do that now, but only with the DirectShow media platform selected as the default, and with native Windows formats (AVI and WMV).
Unfortunately those formats are dinosaurs for anyone even semi-pro in video.
Would love to see some updates to Sonar as it relates to working with video.
Me too...but with Apple never getting around to doing 64-bit QuickTime, I think Cakewalk is dependent on Microsoft updating their video platform.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/29 11:38:48
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☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/29 18:35:22
On a more general note, I find the combination of Magix (nee Sony) Vegas and SONAR to be close to ideal. Sometimes I need to cut video to audio, sometimes audio to video and it's easy with the dual-program workflow. A recent trick I've gotten into is bringing the video into SONAR, creating stems, then bringing those into Vegas for final tweaking. I think SONAR will never be as capable with video as Vegas, and Vegas will never be as capable with audio as SONAR, so using the two keeps me happy 
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/29 18:40:02
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On a more general note, I find the combination of Magix (nee Sony) Vegas and SONAR to be close to ideal. Sometimes I need to cut video to audio, sometimes audio to video and it's easy with the dual-program workflow.
A recent trick I've gotten into is bringing the video into SONAR, creating stems, then bringing those into Vegas for final tweaking. I think SONAR will never be as capable with video as Vegas, and Vegas will never be as capable with audio as SONAR, so using the two keeps me happy
This is the way I have been working for some time and I believe, after my brief experimenting with DP, that you may be right! I am using Sony (Magix) Vegas 14 64 bit and SONAR X3 64 bit and it's a good workflow now that SONAR can handle mp4s. I can use Frans Absil's external program for estimating an ideal tempo as long as I have my frame rate in SONAR set to the video's frame rate. I have made my own streamers and punches in Vegas and rendered them out onto the video I'm working with - and that is no more effort than creating them in DP. So my conclusion is to stick with the SONAR/Vegas system for the foreseeable future. Thanks Craig and everybody!
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/29 18:44:07
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☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/29 18:44:37
I'm somewhat surprised you haven't upgraded past X3. With the recent improvements in efficiency, I have no problem keeping both SONAR and Vegas open at the same time...makes life easier when doing instructional videos. Mix Recall is also huge for me when doing soundtracks.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/29 18:45:49
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I'm somewhat surprised you haven't upgraded past X3. With the recent improvements in efficiency, I have no problem keeping both SONAR and Vegas open at the same time...makes life easier.
That was one of the reasons I was considering moving to DP - where to put my money. I will probably go with the lifetime SONAR deal that Cakewalk is offering now instead of shelling out $350 for a crossgrade to DP.
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/31 14:42:22
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This thread helped me make up my mind between SONAR and DP and saved me a $350.00 crossgrade fee. I went with the SONAR Platinum with Lifetime Updates and after launching it today I am impressed at how smooth the transition from X3 was - all of my settings etc (except for two folder locations) were intact and I was up and running very fast. Thanks to everybody who helped me hash out what to do. Cheers!
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Re: Long time SONAR user, considering switch to DP
2016/10/31 16:39:23
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To be honest I don't see the advantage to working with video in any DAW program. I use Sony pro 10 and magix 15 as my video programs, for the price though magix is very easy to use and is only 60 bucks. I spent 300 on the bloody sony and it doesn't give you near the flex that even gopro has and was free lol.
If you want to actually Score and edit audio to the video, it would be much better to do so within a DAW (if it was efficient with video). I use one of the most respected video programs out there which was more in the $1000 range, it feels like a dinosaur when it comes to the audio side of things. Ever trying multi channel mixing and editing in a Video based program? No thanks.
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