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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/05 21:44:55 (permalink)
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Dogs are good about that. I don't even need a door bell, they let me know someone is outside long before they reach the door.

Not sure if that is true for Beagles, however?



I love dogs, man. All of them. My first choice would most likely be a Dobberman (or 2), or a Rottweiller (or 2) or a Boxer. Maybe a Bullmastif. Something big I can wrestle with and/or trust to bite their butt off if anyone is trespassing. 
 
But then if just for me, the whole house would be like an episode of the Osbournes, with cats and dogs everywhere. I love my little furry pals. 




We have a pure bred German shepherd here...plus several semi-not quite so-feral cats and three cats here....

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/05 21:51:06 (permalink)
 
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Damn.  There goes the image I had of you! 




Turning 40 and living in the desert, one needs to give up on the Edward Scissorhands look at some point anyway. ;)
 
I'm actually just as surprised. I never managed to gain weight or mass no matter how hard I trained before.




As long as you don't look like one of the local little 'ol ladies.
 
I just heard from the guy who makes my custom guitars about an hour ago.  He's finally getting around to working on the one that's been on hold for over FIVE years!  It's got me thinking about starting to play more that's for sure! 




HEY!!! I already look like one of those little old ladies!!
 
Dang chemo!!!!
 
Up to 145lbs on a 5'7" frame....mmmmmm




I remember going way down to 140 lbs - painful circumstances, though nothing in comparison to the battle you've had to fight. 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/05 21:54:21 (permalink)
Rain: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena...
Yup. 

You spend your quiet life walking the straight line, mindful of the law, to a T - even those rules which you think could/should legitimately be questioned - being considerate of others yet minding your business. Anyway, 99.99% of the time, you don't mind the rules half as much as you mind the people who think that those rules don't apply to them. (To this day, I'm convinced that that's where most of our problems come from).
 
The single most important lesson your mother thought you was: treat people like a gentleman would. "And if that doesn't work, punch them in the throat as hard as you can, you wussy" - said daddy, opening another beer...
 
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I've been in similar situations on many occasions on and off-duty that involved weapons and in another incident, a teenager that was almost thrown in front of a train due to a breakup with her boyfriend. Yes, many incidents where the victim and myself happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In all cases, nobody got hurt but I look back on those times and think how close I came to being the victim too.


A lot of people lose faith in the laws and the justice system. Unfortunately humans can be very cruel, prejudice and selfish (more or less). A lot of crime exist because some people lose faith and their moral values are totally off-base (no moral compass.) The mentality is; look after oneself and to heck with everybody else.

Another persective; parents not being responsible (unemployed; alcohol and drug abuse).... what a lot of people don't care to know is; in some developed countries there are more suicides than there are deaths from vehicle accidents.... I know of a young kid (17) who took his own life, both his parents are alcoholics who partied loud with friends almost every night throughout the evening into the late hours (playing cards, gambling) all whilst the kids had to get their own meals, study and hopefully get a good nights sleep for that final exam tomorrow.

And no doubt discrimination and bullying occurs at schools and in the workplace. So imagine growing up in a situation like that, unfortunately not all kids grow up to be successful and with their moral compass intact!
 
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Rain: So basically, I'm the guy who never takes the shortcut across the grass even if it means taking the long way around , I'm the guy who'll walk half a mile under the Vegas sun in the parking to bring back my grocery cart because, well, the world isn't mine - or else it wouldn't work like this, trust me... 

In the end, all I want is peace and quiet, and as little interaction w/ the outside world as I can, so that I can focus on what matters - my wife, my music, my training, my cats. My whole universe.
Then a couple of bad seeds run into your backyard and you have to get involved, call 911, up the security. And then the dreaded subpoena arrives. 

All of this for a guy in his 20's who's been caught and did time for the same offense once before. Who broke parole. Who has a kid who'll probably grow up to be just as useless.

The guy will probably do a few months again. Make some good contacts on the inside. Learn the ropes, gather tips. Perfect his skills as a criminal. That's what we pay for isn't it?

And then they'll let him out on the street... Talk about investing our money in all the right places. Find it so grim, so true, so real...
I don't know man. If you steal bread for your family, I can get that. I'll give you bread. But to act like a worthless parasite and to try to make a living stealing from people who spend 40-60 hours a week working their butt off? 

I say the sentence should mirror the offense. You wanted to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor, to steal what they had to give away hours of their life to acquire? You planned on breaking into their home so that you could go on w/o working? Alright then. How about hard labour? And since this is your second strike, no mercy - lifetime. I've seen high schools sentencing honest 16 years old to a lifetime of miserable jobs w/ less remorse than we have for criminals...
 
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Yes! Studies/Research has shown that most criminals who serve time in prison will re-offend. It also shows that the death penalty is also not always a deterrent, not in all cases (individuals.) I believe intensive mental health care treatments initially until they are fit to not be be at risk to cause harm to anyone along with having a micro locator chip embedded (by needle insertion) in their brain so that they can be monitored -- alert system and review of their where-abouts indefinitely. 


IMHO, civilization started on the wrong path --- that path led to cruelty, greed, selfishness and crime along with inequality of life in just about all regards. Whenever the economy takes a nose dive --- times can get very ugly, parents finding it more and more difficult to cope and sadly not always successful. It's natural human instinct to survive at all costs and unfortunately some (not all) will resort to hideous abuse -- crimes. A breakdown of moral values and responsibility along with, cruelly, prejudice, greed, selfishness and discrimination continues to be all too common issues. These issues need to be dealt with more efficiently and effectively by 'much earlier intervention' along with further education in regards to best methods to detect early signs and report so that person can be assessed and if need be, treated by experts.

That said; I think we all got to stop thinking only about 'oneself' and thinking that it won't happen to 'one' (you, your family and friends) because there will be times when the innocent is inadvertantly caught up in a situation they wished they had not got in. Remember reading a case about a young girl at home alone when a burgler broke in. Yeah that must had been a terrifying situation to be caught up in. 
 
 

 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/05 22:47:54 (permalink)
From Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/12/27/japanese-firm-will-deploy-drones-for-home-security/
 
"Japanese firm Secom announced this week that it has developed a prototype drone that it intends to develop as part of the home security services that it provides for its customers.
The drone, which is autonomous rather than remote controlled, is based on a quadrocopter design. It would be equipped with a small security camera and be capable of calling the police. If a customers’ alarm system indicates an intruder, the drone could be deployed to record the intruders in the process of breaking in. The drone would also be able to make a determination as to whether the police should be called.
“The flying robot could take off if our online security systems detect any unauthorised entry,” spokeswoman Asuka Saitotold told AFP. “It would enable us to quickly check out what’s actually happening on the spot.”
This isn’t Secom’s first foray into robotics. One of its personal services products is called MySpoon, a robot that can feed people who have lost the use of their arms so that they don’t have to rely on a person to feed them.
The company hopes to be able to offer the drones to its customers for rent in April of 2014 for about 5,000 yen ($58) a month."
 
 
That is cheaper than feeding my yard dog.
 
Plus it takes pictures, calls the cops, and sends the pictures to them and your phone. Plus it can work on both sides of a fence.
 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 10:10:38 (permalink)
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I feel real lucky that I am not one of those "worthless scums".
 
You can feel lucky too.
 
I'm not trying to seem humorous.
 
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Get a sword. You would paint a pretty intimidating picture in the mind of a criminal type. Based on your description of yourself, I can imagine some punk meeting you as you step into the hallway in front of him, with sword at the ready..... You don't need a very expensive one. But do get 440 SS..... so it can be sharpened and hold an edge. Work with it a bit to learn the feel of it and enjoy it.
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 10:15:48 (permalink)
@guitarhacker...you reminded me that we have an old wwII era machete still by the back door here...the lat time someone broke into our house I came down the stairs with it and my shadow...being at the time around 275lbs...must have scared the beep out of the dude.
 
That was the fellow who was out after being released on bail...the second time.

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 10:55:50 (permalink)
People get upset when I put up signs in my yard that read, "Caution!  Now Entering Mine Field!"
 
I guess they'd rather not have a warning...

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 12:46:27 (permalink)
I've seen high schools sentencing honest 16 years old to a lifetime of miserable jobs w/ less remorse than we have for criminals.
 
One of your better zingers, Rain.
 
I share your frustration. But what are you gonna do? Keep warehousing kids in prisons until they miraculously start behaving like responsible citizens? Ain't gonna happen. That kid was ruined long before he wound up in your back yard. It started when his dad took off and his mom took up residence in front of the TV with a bottle of wine.
 
It takes 15 years to plan for, finance and build a new prison. The average age of inmates in that future prison will be around 20 years of age. That means the future residents of those cells we're constructing are currently toddlers who haven't even started grade school yet.


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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 12:48:31 (permalink)
Now, that's a disturbing thought, Bit.
 
It's time to stock the bunker.

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 13:26:09 (permalink)
Sword?

Images of that Indiana Jones scene with the martial arts guy wielding all of those knives and Indy looking annoyed whips out his pistol and ends it.

They have a saying in Texas, "Never bring a knife to a gun fight."

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 13:42:48 (permalink)
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They have a saying in Texas, "Never bring a knife to a gun fight."



 
Who said that?
 
Was it Antonio López de Santa Anna taunting Jim Bowie?
 


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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 14:15:11 (permalink)
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I've seen high schools sentencing honest 16 years old to a lifetime of miserable jobs w/ less remorse than we have for criminals.
 
One of your better zingers, Rain.
 
I share your frustration. But what are you gonna do? Keep warehousing kids in prisons until they miraculously start behaving like responsible citizens? Ain't gonna happen. That kid was ruined long before he wound up in your back yard. It started when his dad took off and his mom took up residence in front of the TV with a bottle of wine.
 
It takes 15 years to plan for, finance and build a new prison. The average age of inmates in that future prison will be around 20 years of age. That means the future residents of those cells we're constructing are currently toddlers who haven't even started grade school yet.




 
Exactly.
 
My wife is a school teacher of the 4th grade. The stories she tells are sad and scary at the same time because all those kids will grow up, and with no parental involvement or concern at this early age.... their future does not look hopeful.
 
That means we, and society in general, will have to deal with them in some way in the future.

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 14:43:06 (permalink)
I guess that is why there are yard lights, video cameras on and only one State that does not allow guns (which has to be changed by June 9th by Court Decree which is Illinois) and many other States that allow concealed gun carry laws and at least one State that has Castle Law (Nebraska in which case if you own it, they don't and can be shot outside or inside) and why there is a shortage of bullets and more guns are sold and is a thriving business.
 
Even the police around here go - stay in the house and all of that stuff, but I wonder what they will do if people carrying concealed guns (which is allowed here) just say - over their dead body.
 
But with the video camera the police get the tape or CD and you do not appear as a witness because it is on a tape with the time or a CD recording made with a video security camera.
 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 14:52:40 (permalink)
 
That shortage of bullets statistic always gets my attention.
 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 15:19:42 (permalink)
Rain, martial arts, dogs, and swords are good but in a pinch... a shotgun trumps everything. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
 
On another note, but a similar chord... our cat has an allergy to gluten so I have to by food at the local Petsmart store. Now I am not surprised by much anymore but... someone had let their dog take a dump right in front of the door to the store and just left it there. I think this is a new low. I imagine someone wearing PJs to town did it. No offense if you go to town in your PJs
 
I need to go back and read part one of this thread, I missed it.
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 18:49:11 (permalink)
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I've seen high schools sentencing honest 16 years old to a lifetime of miserable jobs w/ less remorse than we have for criminals.
 
One of your better zingers, Rain.
 
I share your frustration. But what are you gonna do? Keep warehousing kids in prisons until they miraculously start behaving like responsible citizens? Ain't gonna happen. That kid was ruined long before he wound up in your back yard. It started when his dad took off and his mom took up residence in front of the TV with a bottle of wine.
 
It takes 15 years to plan for, finance and build a new prison. The average age of inmates in that future prison will be around 20 years of age. That means the future residents of those cells we're constructing are currently toddlers who haven't even started grade school yet.



Dave, you have compassion and understanding in these matters. You're right, most of those inmates are aged about 20 yrs old and probably all of them come from troubled backgrounds. 


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These issues need to be dealt with more efficiently and effectively by 'much earlier intervention' along with further education in regards to best methods to detect early signs and report. 
 


There are many causes that can lead to more serious issues if not dealt with appropriately at a much earlier stage.
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parents not being responsible (unemployed; alcohol and drug abuse).... what a lot of people don't care to know is; in some developed countries there are more suicides than there are deaths from vehicle accidents.... I know of a young kid (17) who took his own life, both his parents are alcoholics who partied loud with friends almost every night throughout the evening into the late hours (playing cards, gambling) all whilst the kids had to get their own meals, study and hopefully get a good nights sleep for that final exam tomorrow.

And no doubt discrimination and bullying occurs at schools and in the workplace. So imagine growing up in a situation like that, unfortunately not all kids grow up to be successful and with their moral compass intact!
 

I'm in agreement with what you said: 

Bitflipper
I share your frustration. But what are you gonna do? Keep warehousing kids in prisons until they miraculously start behaving like responsible citizens? Ain't gonna happen. That kid was ruined long before he wound up in your back yard.



So, early intervention is definitely a good start. Intervene earlier before the situation gets worse.  I truly believe that ALL kids need to be assessed by experts (psychologist) every 2 years from the time they start school and including guidance for their transition from school to further education (college or apprentiship) and into the workplace. There also needs to be workplace reforms to weed out any sort of abuse. 

During early intervention if a child is having issues it must be dealt with immediately. Quite possibly the parents also need to be dealt with and if the child has serious mental health issues he/she should be treated.  Catch it at a much earlier stage; so, instead of prison, have a monitoring system -- bracelet or micro-chip (if need be) and regular medical checkups and ongoing guidance to help these kids go on to live a fruitful life -- get them involved in training (further education) and into a good job.  Surely that's got to be 'real' rehabilitation rather than just tossing a kid into prison expecting they'll come out a better person whilst allowing the parents to continue drowning  themselves in more alcohol, gambling and debt. 


@ Rain, 

When that situation occurred, you would have been best to try not be seen all whilst reporting it to the police -- let them be the hero's.  I think you and your wife's safety might be at risk.  These offenders now know what you look like and where you live.  You should discuss this with the police or at least add this concern in an official report. Don't try to be a hero, next time these crims could have a gun. 

Get bright security-lights in the yard and signs that warn -- these premises are being monitored (cameras) -- if you can't afford cameras? get fake ones. And although alarms are a deterrent -- they are noisy and won't stop a bullet. But if you get an alarm system? an alert system would be better, but unfortunately more expensive. 



 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 19:07:11 (permalink)
I believe just having the warning signs is enough since they aren't going to waste time trying to find where you've hidden the cameras.  Any time they can actually see one (real or not), they can disable it. 

 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 19:37:36 (permalink)
My camera has a motion sensor. It takes your picture and uploads it to my ftp server, so even if you've whacked it off the ceiling your smiling face is on a disk far away. You might still get my stuff, but you'd better hope you don't live in the neighborhood (which, statistically, you probably do).


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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 20:16:18 (permalink)
Greg, 
 
I've discussed it briefly with the cops. Apparently, we shouldn't worry too much. I guess that in an ideal world, the best option would have been to not be seen, as you said.
 
But in a real world situation - just out of bed, before my first morning coffee, I just didn't have that reflex. Plus, having been born and raised and having spent most of my life in Canada, I just don't have it in me to continually apprehend an aggression, even if I'm very territorial - I once ran out completely naked w/ a frying pan in my hands - first thing I saw - in the middle of the night to chase a prowler in our backyard, back home... lol
 
Anyway, I'd have to face them in court, and if they're in for retaliation, I am only one of a few people who called the cops on them. How far are they willing to go and how much are they willing to risk?
 
That being said, we are dealing with some pretty weird thieves, so it's hard to figure out their reaction. They have Facebook pages and are friends with each other, all their info is available to the public - that's how I know so much about them, that they have kids and all. Not all that clever if you're planning on earning your life as a criminal.
 
They were caught trying to steal from a house in full daylight, on a Monday morning at 11:30. I mean this isn't like a lonely house in some remote location - there are neighbors all around. Someone spotted a vehicle that looked suspect and called the cops.
 
So the question is - would those guys who have all been filed take the risk of committing a series of much more serious crimes, to which they would be linked pretty much automatically? According to the cops, no. Obviously, that doesn't prevent me from staying alert, nevertheless.
 
The landlord and his wife were in town and came for a glass of wine last night. That discussion relieved me quite a bit, simply having the opportunity to voice my concerns.
 
In terms of robbery, the house isn't an easy target - small street w/ neighbors all around, on all 4 sides. The backyard is closed - there's a 7 feet wall on two sides and a 5 feet wall on the other. The gate is over 7 feet, so you don't just jump over.
 
So if you want to break in, you either use the front door - which is totally exposed, or then, you have some serious gymnastic to do. And once you're in, you need to take the stuff out. There again, either you have to walk out the front of the house or to jump over the 7' fence, cross the neighbors own backyard, his parking and make it to the adjacent street - all that w/o being seen. Neighbors have dogs outside and I'm hoping that we'll manage to create a sense of community and watch over each other.
 
Herb - we have our gym downstairs right next to the patio. That's the room one enters if he breaks in through the patio. They will get a hint that they're probably walking into a healthy guy's lair, someone who likes to lift weights and all - we have the bench, barbell, dumbells, cross-trainer and a thread mill and a bunch of other accessories. I love that room, almost as much as my home studio.
 
The next step is to accommodate my passion for martial arts and boxing. So I'm hoping to be able to add things like a kung fu dummy, a punching bag and such and to include swords both for decoration and to learn to use them... And nunchuks - I used to love those.
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 21:44:53 (permalink)
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I once ran out completely naked w/ a frying pan in my hands - first thing I saw - in the middle of the night to chase a prowler in our backyard, back home... lol
 


LOL!!

Best I not ask what the heck you we're doing just prior to that... Naked?, in the kitchen?.... a fry pan?...   chili?.... Crikey! 

However, IIRC this time round you had clothes on? and was armed with a baseball bat? or was that something else poking out? {perish that thought}  

It's good (smart) you talked about any concerns to the police and did some research about the offenders (FB.)  It's also a good idea to stay alert and if possible add some security measures to the place and inform the neighbors to also be alert. 


Rain
How far are they willing to go and how much are they willing to risk?
 

Well, if they are stupid enough to enter the premises in broad daylight and as you say the fence is high and neighbors on either side. Then yes, stay alert and get security signs and camera put up. 

Subpoena, I guess the laws vary depending where axactly the incident had taken place..  But usually for witnesses considering the circumstances a written document (official report) or by phone is an option. In all the cases I was inadvertantly involved in as a witness, the cops said a written report will suffice, but that was in Australia.  I guess in Las Vegas it's kinda sorta like attending the grammy's? LOL!! 

BTW, when you attend court, please put on some clothes! OK? LOL!!  

Seriously, I wish you and yours all the very best. Take care! 




 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 22:49:43 (permalink)
That other incident happened in the middle of the night, I was on my way to the bathroom and saw that guy in the backyard messing around our door. He obviously had no business there - it was a closed area so you don't simply inadvertently walk in. If you're there, you're intruding. So I diverted my course from the bathroom to the backdoor, through the kitchen, which is where I grabbed that pan. 
 
This time, at least I had my pants on. :)
 
I would have preferred not to be dragged into this but the subpoena is clear. Nevertheless, I find it a bit odd that they didn't interview me beforehand, because there really isn't much I can say. I caught a glimpse of on guy who was sitting on a chair, facing the other direction, and saw another one for a fraction of a second before I backed away.
 
Anyway in such a case, the first thing I want to see is the hands of the guy in front of me. There is honestly no way I can ever identify either of them. 

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 23:30:35 (permalink)
Many years ago, I was doing laundry in a laundromat in Chicago late at night.  There were a few people in there and everyone was minding their own biz.  A guy came in and started harassing people, pushing them around, trying to paw through their stuff, etc.  When he got to me, I got in his face and yelled at him.  He had a really crazy look in his eyes and he looked like he was on something.  I had found over the years that showing that you're not going to back down will often stop one of these guys from pushing their luck.  (I also found one time when it didn't, but that's another story...)  This guy took a few swings at me.  Instead of hitting back, I just blocked his punches.  I didn't feel that I was in any real danger and I didn't want the police to charge me with anything if I retaliated.  I continued to yell at him and order him to back off.  The police got there pretty quickly, cuffed him, and hauled him away.  
 
I went to his trial as the witness/victim.  I was surprised when the prosecutor asked me what kind of sentence I wanted to seek.  The prosecutor said the guy had already agreed to plead guilty and they were just going to talk sentencing.  Apparently, he plead guilty in order to avoid the more serious charge of possession.  I told the prosecutor that I didn't think prison time would help this guy and I thought court mandated drug counseling might be more effective.  The prosecutor was happy with that, so they went to the judge and made a deal.
 
I don't know if that helped this guy or not.  It seemed like a better option than dumping him in cell.  That's probably got nothing to do with your situation, Rain.  It just came to mind, so I thought I'd toss it out there.

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 23:49:55 (permalink)
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Many years ago, I was doing laundry in a laundromat in Chicago late at night.  There were a few people in there and everyone was minding their own biz.  A guy came in and started harassing people, pushing them around, trying to paw through their stuff, etc.  When he got to me, I got in his face and yelled at him.  He had a really crazy look in his eyes and he looked like he was on something.  I had found over the years that showing that you're not going to back down will often stop one of these guys from pushing their luck.  (I also found one time when it didn't, but that's another story...)  This guy took a few swings at me.  Instead of hitting back, I just blocked his punches.  I didn't feel that I was in any real danger and I didn't want the police to charge me with anything if I retaliated.  I continued to yell at him and order him to back off.  The police got there pretty quickly, cuffed him, and hauled him away.  
 
I went to his trial as the witness/victim.  I was surprised when the prosecutor asked me what kind of sentence I wanted to seek.  The prosecutor said the guy had already agreed to plead guilty and they were just going to talk sentencing.  Apparently, he plead guilty in order to avoid the more serious charge of possession.  I told the prosecutor that I didn't think prison time would help this guy and I thought court mandated drug counseling might be more effective.  The prosecutor was happy with that, so they went to the judge and made a deal.
 
I don't know if that helped this guy or not.  It seemed like a better option than dumping him in cell.  That's probably got nothing to do with your situation, Rain.  It just came to mind, so I thought I'd toss it out there.




Thanks for this one - that is one good story.
 
As an alien resident in the US, my first option will always be to avoid any sort of trouble. In fact, in my entire life, I've always  behaved in a manner that would make sure that I was as irreproachable as can be. All I want is peace and quiet and to be able to focus on my loved ones and my music.
 
Last night we were talking with the landlord and he had all those stories of people who had been sued by their assailant - particularly back in Canada. One guy won a lawsuit because he had injured himself on judiciously placed razor blades when trying to break into a house. They ruled that the mechanism was a result of malicious intentions, so the house owner ended up being the one who was penalized.
 
And there are so many stories like that.
 
The world really is upside down.
 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/06 23:52:35 (permalink)
We live out of town and when going away for a few days I lock the front gate with a flimsy chain and electrify it.

 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/07 00:24:15 (permalink)
Where I grew up, a little 11 000 souls town, we rarely locked the doors - certainly not when we were at home. You'd sometime step out for a quick errand and leave windows opened and doors unlocked. I can't imagine someone walking in uninvited in my dad's house w/o my dad knocking them out, anyway. 
 
We practically never heard of guns, nor did I hear of anybody pulling a gun on someone else. My dad had a couple of them for hunting, which he kept locked away in the basement. Anyway, in the worst cases, issues were solved with fists. Maybe they thought it was a lot more satisfying and relieving to punch a guy and to humiliate him than to shoot at him.
 
The worst I've heard of was that one guy who's had been hit in the head w/ a crow bar - motorcycle gang related incident. They had their own rules.
 

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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/07 07:00:07 (permalink)
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Many years ago, I was doing laundry in a laundromat in Chicago late at night.  There were a few people in there and everyone was minding their own biz.  A guy came in and started harassing people, pushing them around, trying to paw through their stuff, etc.  When he got to me, I got in his face and yelled at him.  He had a really crazy look in his eyes and he looked like he was on something.  I had found over the years that showing that you're not going to back down will often stop one of these guys from pushing their luck.  (I also found one time when it didn't, but that's another story...)  This guy took a few swings at me.  Instead of hitting back, I just blocked his punches.  I didn't feel that I was in any real danger and I didn't want the police to charge me with anything if I retaliated.  I continued to yell at him and order him to back off.  The police got there pretty quickly, cuffed him, and hauled him away.  
 
I went to his trial as the witness/victim.  I was surprised when the prosecutor asked me what kind of sentence I wanted to seek.  The prosecutor said the guy had already agreed to plead guilty and they were just going to talk sentencing.  Apparently, he plead guilty in order to avoid the more serious charge of possession.  I told the prosecutor that I didn't think prison time would help this guy and I thought court mandated drug counseling might be more effective.  The prosecutor was happy with that, so they went to the judge and made a deal.
 
I don't know if that helped this guy or not.  It seemed like a better option than dumping him in cell.  That's probably got nothing to do with your situation, Rain.  It just came to mind, so I thought I'd toss it out there.




 
 
People can handle **** and have a sense of hum-ane-or about the process.
 
That sounds just how my Grandma would have handled it.
 
Job well done!!!
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/07 07:06:07 (permalink)
 
"...They had their own rules."
 
Having your own rules can make everything seem more "legitimate", but it doesn't change what I call the *Big Picture*.
 
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/07 17:26:24 (permalink)
And we've just taken care of the security system issue. Decent deal, decent basic protection. These things are pretty sophisticated nowadays, with remote access and custom logs and all. Smart phones, smart homes - what's next - smart people?
 
Anyway, security works in layers, and that one layer we just added helps me breathe a bit better. Like a sigh of relief when they installed the sign in front of the house. Almost feels as we've finally repaired a door that wouldn't lock before or something. 
 
Next thing I'll look into is the camera system.
 
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/07 19:40:58 (permalink)
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I believe just having the warning signs is enough since they aren't going to waste time trying to find where you've hidden the cameras.  Any time they can actually see one (real or not), they can disable it. 




You are right. It reminds me of an old saying, "locks only keep out honest people".
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Re: Look at me I'm fighting crime, part II - The Subpoena... 2013/06/07 19:50:04 (permalink)
"I've discussed it briefly with the cops. Apparently, we shouldn't worry too much."
 
Yeah, don't worry about it... the cops will show up if a crime is comitted against you or yours. Never think that they are there to protect you, they aren't... they respond when a crime has been comitted.
Rain, don't be paranoid but be aware.. and wary. Trust to your instincts. If you feel something is wrong, it usually is. Be on guard until some time has passed and if these thugs go to jail try to keep up with when they are getting out and then be prepared for a month or so... but I think you know all this.
 
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