danbottomburp
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Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
So i have spent all my money on the programme and was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of some great Rap related loops and sounds or even Really good Free vst plugins . Basically i am brand new to the DAW scene but my first challenge is to make a rap song . I have the platinum edition if that makes any difference . If its free and good , let me know :)
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/21 14:21:54
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There's some in the sample content however I would be inclined to sample and look at MIDI rhythms also, so you can create some of your own fused sample content. www.loopmasters.comwww.timespace.com
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/21 14:35:59
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Rap has made use of just about every genre, so you can twist just about any loop into something useful for rap. Trends change a lot. In the early days, disco was heavily sampled, followed by old rock and soul. Sample based rap has taken a backseat in the last decade (in part due to the rising rates of sample clearance ) so sampling is not so common in mainstream rap. Primeloops.com is a good source and they have a large freebie sample pack. Bdtter still is to listen and dig. I have heard loops made from everything from gregorian choirs to kitchen utensils. As far as sounds, Sonar includes tons of 808 type samples that can be used for drums and synths that can make modern rap leads and pads. Z3ta is capable of the type of leads heard in trap and other southern style as well as the more europop type rap.
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/21 14:39:58
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The Bass Loops library from Public Enemy's Brian Hardgroove has some great loops.
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/21 15:02:30
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Be sure to check out (and learn how to use) the Step Sequencer and the Matrix view. If your goal loop based music and backbeats you'll probably find both of those features the most immediately gratifying. Cheers.
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danbottomburp
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/22 07:38:23
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Beepster Be sure to check out (and learn how to use) the Step Sequencer and the Matrix view. If your goal loop based music and backbeats you'll probably find both of those features the most immediately gratifying. Cheers.
Is there any tutorials you may know of to help me achieve this , I am watching the video`s on this site but they are either not what i want or very advanced and i haven't got that knowledgeable yet. Would like to just see a tutorial on making your first song , from start to Finnish using a combination of loops and virtual instruments . But not been able to find any , I usually pick things up very quickly , I was doing advanced video editing in a matter of weeks . This programme though is much much harder to pick up . Steep learning curve for me anyway . Oh and thank you everyone for all the replies , Very much appreciated .
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/22 11:55:01
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If you are looking to get up and running fast but effectively you should drop some coin on the SWA X2/X3 bundled tutorial by Karl Rose available in the Cakewalk Store. He covers the Step Sequencer and the Matrix thoroughly enough to get you working with them but he also covers pretty much every other major area of the program as well. If you are more of a reader then check out Scott Garigus' power books for X1/X2 (not sure if he did one for X3). The SS and Matrix have not changed in recent years AFAIK so even if those books are older they'll help. Also any of those books will give you massive insights to the rest of the program but keep in mind many things have changed since X1. Most notably editing (lanes, comp mode), how various things work (like the Prochannel and PRV) and what tools are included with the program. He is supposeldy coming out with a supplement for Sonar 2015 but from what I understand it will be an add on to the latest edition of his books. So you would need the latest book and the supplement to be completely up to date. He could tell you more (he'll probably pop in since I mentioned his stuff). Check out his Digifreq website too... he's got some cool Sonar stuff there. Of course anything you can dig up from Craig Anderton is great. He's got a ton of articles up on Sound On Sound's website and he did the X1 Advanced series which may not be exactly what you are looking for (it is more techniques than Sonar tutorials) but it has pretty good sections on the Step Sequencer and the Matrix view. Cheers.
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/22 12:10:55
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Also be sure to work through the tutorials at the start of the manual. It won't take long but will show you the basics of how to get around the program and teach you some terminology/concepts which you can then use to search the rest of the manual or ask questions here on the forum more concisely (which is extremely helpful). You should take another look at the CakeTV vids too (and do a youtube search for Sonar vids). There are definitely some step sequencer vids in there. You are going to want to learn about the synths and samplers included with the program because straight looping (especially with just the included content) is going to get boring and stale very quickly. Creating MIDI loops or learning how to create (or steal) and manipulate your own samples is much more interesting and gratifying than endlessly searching for and auditioning prefabbed samples. Learn how to use the Loop Constructor view as well after you have checked out the other stuff I mentioned because it will help make audio files and grooves for looping much more useful/hi fidelity. Craig Anderton's X1 Advanced vids goes into great detail about using the Loop Constructor to get high quality samples for warping/stretching/looping. It's old school but good stuff to know. There is also the SWA Instruments Revealed vid (or whatever it's called) again by Karl Rose and in the Cake Store. He covers all the synths and virtual instruments included. There are lots of less talked about samplers that do some very cool stuff as well as thorough descriptions of more popular things like DimPro, Rapture and Zeta. I'm a flesh and nail/analog guy and this vid opened up a HUGE world of electronic possibilities for me that will compliment my dinosaur sensibilities quite nicely in the modern world. For hip hop or electronica? Oh you better believe there is a ton of shiz in ther for you. Cheers.
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/22 12:56:04
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☄ Helpfulby danbottomburp 2015/04/23 15:09:37
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danbottomburp
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/23 15:05:16
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Beepster If you are looking to get up and running fast but effectively you should drop some coin on the SWA X2/X3 bundled tutorial by Karl Rose available in the Cakewalk Store. He covers the Step Sequencer and the Matrix thoroughly enough to get you working with them but he also covers pretty much every other major area of the program as well. If you are more of a reader then check out Scott Garigus' power books for X1/X2 (not sure if he did one for X3). The SS and Matrix have not changed in recent years AFAIK so even if those books are older they'll help. Also any of those books will give you massive insights to the rest of the program but keep in mind many things have changed since X1. Most notably editing (lanes, comp mode), how various things work (like the Prochannel and PRV) and what tools are included with the program. He is supposeldy coming out with a supplement for Sonar 2015 but from what I understand it will be an add on to the latest edition of his books. So you would need the latest book and the supplement to be completely up to date. He could tell you more (he'll probably pop in since I mentioned his stuff). Check out his Digifreq website too... he's got some cool Sonar stuff there. Of course anything you can dig up from Craig Anderton is great. He's got a ton of articles up on Sound On Sound's website and he did the X1 Advanced series which may not be exactly what you are looking for (it is more techniques than Sonar tutorials) but it has pretty good sections on the Step Sequencer and the Matrix view. Cheers.
Ok so i am prepared to spend a additional £30 on tutorial video collection . Which one should i get ? Can you link to it please ?
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Beepster
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/23 15:18:47
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This is probably the best and most complete vid tut you are going to get for learning Sonar... https://shop.cakewalk.com/1244/catalog/product.151201/language.en/currency.CAD/?id=d21Ynev3YW It is currently $52 so I'm not sure what the exchange rate is right now between the BP and USD however that is FULL price. It goes on sale from time to time. This is the one that explains all the instruments, samplers, synths (as of X3) and is much less expensive but does only covers the basics of setting up tracks for those instruments. It is quite a bit less expensive though and extremely useful. https://shop.cakewalk.com/1244/catalog/product.151198/language.en/currency.CAD/?id=d21Ynev3YW This one covers effects but considering your budget and the fact it is getting a little outdated (some effects have been removed and newer ones are not covered) it would be a lesser priority until you get into mixing. It is also really expensive right now for some reason. I snagged it for like 12 bucks or something but it is an awesome vid so keep an eye for a sale... https://shop.cakewalk.com/1244/catalog/product.151197/language.en/currency.CAD/?id=d21Ynev3YW I am not sure how thorough the Groove 3 vids are because I don't own them but in my experience Karl is EXTREMELY in depth and covers pretty much EVERYTHING you could need and gives you enough insight to be able to effectively search the manual and ask precise questions on the forum. Essentially it's like a visual tour/explanation of the massive user/reference manuals with audio examples. Very useful. A lot of other stuff is more scattered and trails off into specific areas while neglected other important stuff. Cheers.
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danbottomburp
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/23 15:23:48
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Beepster This is probably the best and most complete vid tut you are going to get for learning Sonar...
It is currently $52 so I'm not sure what the exchange rate is right now between the BP and USD however that is FULL price. It goes on sale from time to time. This is the one that explains all the instruments, samplers, synths (as of X3) and is much less expensive but does only covers the basics of setting up tracks for those instruments. It is quite a bit less expensive though and extremely useful.
This one covers effects but considering your budget and the fact it is getting a little outdated (some effects have been removed and newer ones are not covered) it would be a lesser priority until you get into mixing. It is also really expensive right now for some reason. I snagged it for like 12 bucks or something but it is an awesome vid so keep an eye for a sale...
I am not sure how thorough the Groove 3 vids are because I don't own them but in my experience Karl is EXTREMELY in depth and covers pretty much EVERYTHING you could need and gives you enough insight to be able to effectively search the manual and ask precise questions on the forum. Essentially it's like a visual tour/explanation of the massive user/reference manuals with audio examples. Very useful. A lot of other stuff is more scattered and trails off into specific areas while neglected other important stuff. Cheers.
Links are taking me to blank pages . ? ?
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Beepster
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/23 15:31:14
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They're working for me. Are you using script blockers or something? You may need to allow the main cakewalk.com domain.
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danbottomburp
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/23 15:33:37
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Beepster They're working for me. Are you using script blockers or something? You may need to allow the main cakewalk.com domain.
No .. Whats full product name and i can find it that way Thanks Dan
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/23 15:37:56
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This is the most important one to look for... "SWA Complete SONAR X3 Video Tutorial Bundle" This is the virtual instruments one for synths... "SONAR X3 Advanced Workshop: Virtual Instruments Revealed Video" This is the effects one... "SONAR X2 Advanced Workshop: Producer Effects - Video Tutorial" You can browse the entire vids section by following this link (if it works)... https://shop.cakewalk.com/1244/catalog/category.60472/ Cheers.
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/24 05:06:49
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What may be helpful is examples of the kind of rap you were trying to create. the process for creating modern radio friendly rap and boom-bap are very very different. Not trying to contradict anything beepster has said. he's a super helpful guy, but the videos may be little help to you regarding your original question. These vids will give you a good foundation on cakewalk synths and sonar functions in general, but very little of it is rap oriented. The Craig Anderton videos, articles, etc on loop based production may be slightly more useful: https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov08/articles/sonarworkshop_1108.htmhttp://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep05/articles/sonartech.htm These are old but the functionality regarding loops still exists in Sonar. On his advanced workshop video, there are sections on looping and time stretching. these are not rap specific but are techniques that may come in handy for certain rap subgenres far more than anything in the groove 3 or SWA videos. the idea of using the step sequencer and matrix view to crank out hip-hop sounds good in theory, but i would be shocked if anyone on this site has actually put that theory into practice on a regular basis. in defense of the matrix view, it never claimed to be a hip-hop weapon of choice. If anything, it is more of a variation of an Ableton-like performance feature that can be used to trigger basic loop arrangements. Arguably it may be more useful to a dj than a rap producer.
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/24 05:16:04
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Then there's the step by step written tutorials with supporting audio files included in the Cakewalk Content folder.
Access the Tutorials by opening Sonar and pressing F1. That opens the help file at the tutorial page just go through them.
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/24 06:52:02
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Thanks for all the excellent replies , On top of this and learning Italian i have exactly no free time ! oh well it certainly beats recording myself and guitar in one take using Audacity :)
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Re: Looking for great Rap related loops and sounds
2015/04/24 10:22:16
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danbottomburp Thanks for all the excellent replies , On top of this and learning Italian i have exactly no free time ! oh well it certainly beats recording myself and guitar in one take using Audacity :)
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