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2015/09/10 13:21:16 (permalink)

Looking for hardware suggestions

I know these types of requests are plentiful but I'm looking for a solution to a specific setup and not sure how to proceed...
 
The system I use for Sonar 3S has a soundblaster card I have had for years. It works fine for movies, games, media player, etc in a 7.1 format. However, it is probably the worst when it comes to any type of audio software, crappy ASIO drivers, latency, lots of glitches in sound, ...
 
So, my questions is, what type of external hardware can I use that will play nice with Sonar but won't require an entire overhaul or another discreet subsystem? I've been looking at the Focusrite 2i4 as I think it may work. Inputs aren't all that important as only use them occasionally for external midi synths and the occasional mic recordings.
 
I was thinking I could keep the soundcard and use the 2i4 but that involves lost of patch changes with the existing speakers or I ditch the soundcard entirely. I'm not opposed to trashing the SB but would like to keep at least 2.1 and the existing speakers.
 
Is there a better solution? Is there a better soundcard than Soundblaster's that have good, low latency drivers? Currently using Win7 Pro x64.
 
 

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    batsbrew
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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/10 13:30:32 (permalink)
    what is the most you can spend?
     

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/10 15:25:58 (permalink)
    Somewhere in the $200 max range. Perhaps more if it has something I can't live without. :)

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/10 17:10:39 (permalink)
    there's just not a lot of range at that limitation.
     
    in other words, everything is about the same quality as everything else,
    at that price range.
     
    but literally ANTYHING would be better than a realtek and/or blaster.
     
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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/10 23:22:44 (permalink)
    SB cards are for games and streaming different media formats smoothly.  It does a great job at games, you tube, etc.  It isn't made for streaming lots of content in a single format.
     
    As bat says, there isn't a "better" choice at such prices.  The hardware is mostly the same (same design and circuits) although there is some difference in drivers.  But the interface that works for one system won't work on the next.  So you should buy from a good store or web shop where you can return your interface for the next one.
     
    Take a look at what is offered at your prices and then come back and ask if anyone has used your choice.  TASCAM are a good choice now since Cakewalk is owned by Gibson - who also own TASCAM.  Lots of incest between the two using each other's products so TASCAM should be well-tested on SONAR and different systems.  But whatever you get the best deal on i'd start with.
     
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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/11 02:18:15 (permalink)
    Perhaps my limit is unrealistic then. I was thinking in the $200 range as that is what the Focusrite2i4 and roughly equivalent interfaces from Steinberg UR22 and Tascam US2x2 were costing. The 2i4 had 4 outs though so why I was leaning toward it.
     
    To make sure I understand, these would not be any better than what I have now or may not work at all? What would you all consider an entry level price range?

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/11 07:49:49 (permalink)
    Yes, the 2i4, UR22 and US2x2 are all better than a soundblaster for music recording/mixing and yes, I would consider any of those for $200 and for entry level.
     
    also consider the Presonus Audiobox 22VSL at that range.  Personally I have tried both the Presonus and the Focusrite and I prefer the Presonus over Focusrite because of the mic/line inputs of the Presonus being much better than the Focusrite.
     
    I can't speak for anyone else, but when I first read your initial post, it sounded like you were looking for a minimum 7.1 output recording soundcard for $200 and that's just not feasible.
     
    however, if you're trying to do movies, games, etc on even with a focusrite 4 output, it's not going to work.  if you have 7.1 output audio then you need 7.1 outputs on the soundcard or you drop down to stereo.  using 4 outputs of a 7.1 audio file will sound worse (you'll lose a lot of the sound) than if you simply used it in stereo mode.

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/11 13:01:49 (permalink)
    I would like to keep the 7.1 system but that is not really critical. At his point I had rather get the glitches out of Sonar and the vsti's than worry about movies and games. I think I'm going to start with a 4x4 interface of some brand and then get a set of monitors for it later if I find I can't live without the 7.1 system.
     
    I will check out the Presonus boxes as well.
     
    Thanks for the suggestions!

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/11 17:55:42 (permalink)
    I decided to try the Behringer FCA610. $200 from B&H Photo. I have never been one to give much stock to Behringer but I shall see for the first (and perhaps last) time.

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/14 09:45:50 (permalink)
    Behringer has improved quality across the board in the last few years, IMO.  it will likely be a good unit for you.

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/14 11:31:58 (permalink)
    Hm, what specifically do you find attractive about the FCA610?  One argument against it is the fact it's not popular.
     
    I frequent four very active audio forums, and I don't think I've run across anyone who has that unit.  So if you run into trouble, you will at best get generalized help/suggestions in the forums.  With almost any of the other (popular) units, there are users who share the same setup, and can guide you through pretty much any troubleshooting scenario.
     
    Just a thought.  Again, if you share what you find appealing about the FCA610, we can likely steer you toward something similar that has a stronger track record.

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/14 13:58:48 (permalink)
    My primary decision was based on the 10 outs (8 not counting the spdif ports) that didn't require another interface of some sort. The price. Also, the firewire port that "should" offer less latency. ASIO based drivers was another positive.
     
    I agree about the popularity though as I just stumbled across it. I too am skeptical but the limited reviews I was able to find were mostly good. Of course there were the few negative ones about receiving DOA units or those that went bad fairly quickly. If I get it and find out it is crap then I can return it. Supposedly it has a 3 yr warranty if something happens down the road (hopefully B&H is an authorized reseller).

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/14 21:02:20 (permalink)
    A lot will depend on those drivers. In the past Behringer did not even supply drivers for their USB mixers. So it would be interesting to see what they have been up to as these drivers are most likely related to the X air interfaces drivers. I'm glad your willing to take a chance! Someone has to.. I was all stoked about the X air mixers but they have been so slow coming out I will give them a year to see what evolves in regards to dependability and the drivers. 
     
    I have a problem with trusting gear that offers a lot of bells and whistles for less money as something has to give...but I could be wrong.. 
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2015/09/14 21:12:14

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/15 21:40:44 (permalink)
    they still don't supply drivers for everything.  there are still some devices they point users to ASIO4ALL.
     
    but this particular one does have drivers.  I'll be curious to know how well they work.

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/16 02:24:54 (permalink)
    Due to some Jewish holiday and the resulting B&H shipping delay, it is scheduled to be here Thursday. I will either be stoked or bummed shortly thereafter. :)
     
    I am a firm believer in the adage "you get what you pay for" but occasionally there is a confluence of sales, manufacturing and market conditions that can lead to a good deal. If I were doing this for anything other than a hobby and had any expectation of needing professional gear I would have gone with more of a name brand and main stream equipment. Although, money and name are still not an absolute guarantee. :shrugs:
     
    I will post my tribulations or victories as soon I can start testing it.

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/23 13:03:21 (permalink)
    For those that may be interested...
     
    I got the Berhinger FCA610 the other day. While I have no basis to compare it to pro gear I am able to share my experience with sound cards.
     
    Install:
    Installing of the drivers and unit went fairly smoothly. There was some unplugging and replugging of the unit and unit config to get the drivers to see it. But it was not too difficult.
     
    Output:
    Overall the sound quality is magnitudes better than the Soundblaster or Realtek cards. The sound is much cleaner and the stereo soundstage is greatly improved. I don't have the glitches that I was getting with the sound cards. So far, it works flawlessly in Sonar and other apps with a qualifier. Due to things like EAX and simulated 7.1 from stereo sources that were done by the soundcard, those no longer work. Of course, I can still do surround processing in those apps that support it. I kinda miss the surround emulation but the better sound quality more than makes up for the loss.
     
    Input:
    Again, it is much better and cleaner and more open/airy sound than with the SB/RT inputs. No issues in any software so far with the inputs. I rarely use them anyway but nice to know there are there when needed...
     
    Conclusion
    It fit the bill for what I was looking for considering the environment and equipment I had. While one of the points for getting it was the firewire connection, I found my board did not have a firewire port onboard. Seems like it has all other modern PC connections known to man but no firewire. I haven't had any issues with the USB2 connection so I may not actually need the firewire. With USB2, the ASIO drivers are showing a round trip latency of 15.8ms. Since I'm not having issues I'm guessing that is good enough.
     
    Given what I was using and the improvements I have seen I would definitely recommend the unit. Like always, your mileage may vary.
     
    Thanks for the suggestions though people! In researching your various units I was able to run across this one. While it may not be as good as those that you suggested, your suggestions will be seeds for any future upgrades.
     
    ----edit----
    Typo corrections. sigh
    post edited by DrLumen - 2015/09/23 13:14:57

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    Re: Looking for hardware suggestions 2015/09/23 20:41:47 (permalink)
    It sounds like just what the Doctor ordered (puns intended). Thanks for the review and good luck with it.
     
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