Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first!

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Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first!

I have DR-880 and was wondering about purchasing Superior Drummer...seems to get high marks. I'm wondering how this would work with my DR880? Anyone using a control surface with SD2.0 and liking it? I came across a really good deal and am ready to jump...advice or opinions welcomed!

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    tyacko
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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 19:32:22 (permalink)
    Hey Frostysnake,

    I use Superior Drummer with my Roland TD-12 kit and it works very well.  I would expect it would work very well with the DR-880, but to be honest you probably won't use the DR-880 much once you hear the sounds and purchase some of the MIDI packs available for the Superior Drummer kits.

    I don't use any of the sounds or midi patterns available with my Roland kit because the ones the you can get designed for Superior Drummer are that much better.

    If you can get it at a good price, I say go for it.  You won't regret it.

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 19:47:02 (permalink)
    Yeah...I just use the DR as a controller and for quick pattern building...I'm really liking what I have heard on Toontracks site...I am also getting the Metal Foundary as a bonus, so it is looking very good that I will purchase...how well does it integrate with Sonar? Is it a resource hog?

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 19:59:48 (permalink)
    Superior Drummer runs fine in SONAR. Depending on what else you load up 4GB of RAM might be a little tight. There are ways to conserve memory in SD but it might be a good idea to bump up your RAM if you find yourself a resource starved. I do not own it but I believe the Metal Foundry is one of the largest SD kits.
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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 20:12:26 (permalink)
    I am about to up the RAM to 8...my old beast is getting tired...lol

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 20:20:59 (permalink)
    BTW, I doubt Toontrack has updated their install procedure. If you want to run the 64bit version of SD, it is only available as part of the 2.3.1 update download in your account. Makes install a little more difficult than necessary.
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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 20:28:26 (permalink)
    Thanks Scook...I will keep that in mind as I assumed it was just included in the box...

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 20:33:07 (permalink)
    So did I. The other think about Toontrack is that they apparently do not send out notifications when they update the software.
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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 20:36:31 (permalink)
    Cool...I am a bit of OCD and pretty much do that on my own when it comes to keeping software up to date...lol

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 21:38:09 (permalink)
    I haven't gotten into TOOOOOO much yet, but if almost feels like I'm missing something here because just about everything you would do in SD2 you can do directly in Sonar.  In a way it feels like I pissed away money on the crossgrade.



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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 23:38:26 (permalink)
    Toontrack products work great in Sonar, as long as you do waht Scook says and get the latest updates and follow the instructions carefully when you install them.

    If you have resource issues you have the option of loading the 16 bit kits in Superior Drummer, which use a lot less resources. There was some considerable debate about whether the difference was audible or not, but you can always change to the 24 bit samples for the final bounce to audio.

    I had no issues when I was using it with 6 GB RAM unless I had a bunch of big Kontaky libraries going at the same time so if add another 4 GB of RAM and you won't have any worries at all.

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/03 23:53:31 (permalink)
    Toontrack on the whole are one of the best plugin vendors out there.

    I've never had any install issues and their support is second to none.

    After years.of mucking around trying to write my own drum tracks Toontracks Midi packs have been a god send. 

    I was so impressed by the sample quality that I have all the Superior sdx packs. Now that they have expanded their repertoire to the Ezmix and Ezkeys line of products they are my go to vendor when I cant record the real thing.
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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/04 00:03:39 (permalink)
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    I haven't gotten into TOOOOOO much yet, but if almost feels like I'm missing something here because just about everything you would do in SD2 you can do directly in Sonar.  In a way it feels like I pissed away money on the crossgrade.

    You are missing something for sure. I suggest the Groove 3 Superior Drummer Explained video will really help get your money's worth out of Superior Drummer.
     
    Session Drummer 3 is a good program, but there is a reason Superior Drummer (and BFD) cost a lot more.

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/04 00:30:51 (permalink)
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    Toontrack on the whole are one of the best plugin vendors out there.

    I've never had any install issues and their support is second to none.

    After years.of mucking around trying to write my own drum tracks Toontracks Midi packs have been a god send. 

    I was so impressed by the sample quality that I have all the Superior sdx packs. Now that they have expanded their repertoire to the Ezmix and Ezkeys line of products they are my go to vendor when i cant fecord the feal thing

    my next purchase will be Toontrack's superior drums.
    i havent been fortunete enough to demo them but i have listend to them on you tube and my best friend uses them exclusively.
    the samples are increadibly real.

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/04 00:44:27 (permalink)
    going through the drums maps in sonar you'll see 2 that stand out,superior drummers drum map and the boss DR-008.
    i believe this is the code for the 880.

    have you plugged in your drum machine and see if the pad configuration all lines up ?

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/04 07:15:04 (permalink)
    Charlie...I have always see the 008 but did not think to just try it and see if it lines up with the 880...this kind of excites me...lol

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/04 07:16:48 (permalink)
    Frosty are you going to use SD2 just for fun or are you expecting it to sound beautifully in a mix without processing (eq, comp, etc.) it? I don't own Toontrack products so I could be wrong, but if you are not familiar with drum processing and don't want to spend hours trying to make them sound right, maybe EZ Drummer is the one to grab? (Never mind if you just wanna have fun or are experienced in mixing )
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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/04 10:48:51 (permalink)
    Frostysnake


    Charlie...I have always see the 008 but did not think to just try it and see if it lines up with the 880...this kind of excites me...lol

    Yes, let us DR-880 owners know. :)
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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/05 00:08:03 (permalink)
    I'll +1 that.
    I find most kits in SD3 are missing several of the 880 pads and are not all that inspiring tho I'm still experimenting.
    I'm excited that there are so many here with a DR880. It's given me new interest in it.


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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/09 14:13:53 (permalink)
    I wouldnt get EZ drummer if you can afford SD2. You dont need to sit and construct everything from the ground up to get good sounds, great presets are already included.

    I highly recommend you goto at least 8 gigs of ram, if not more.

    I had 8 and found it not enough. I use X2 with Superior Drummer + Metal Foundry and both Roots Expansions and made several custom kits. When you start creating custom layouts with multiple room mics, you can eat up ram awfully quick. A few of my superior kits is well over 2gigs of ram just by itself to load up.

    I tend to run gigantic mixes with Superior running with Kontakt and several soft synths and large sample libraries, but Superior even by itself can get big.

    Its well worth it by the way. I cant express how much more efficient I am now creating music instead of relying upon real drummers :). Its the best tool in terms of streamlining the creative process since gigasampler hit the scene 15 years ago.
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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/09 18:00:48 (permalink)
    I bought "The Classic" EZ expansion yesterday for £26 which I thought was a bit of a bargain. Having Superior Drummer means you can buy any of the Toontrack drum expansions whereas you would be limited by EZ Drummer.

    The support forum (staff) responded to my whinge about how ridiculously long the download takes to unzip really quickly as well .

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/09 18:43:43 (permalink)
    How did you like The Classic EZ expansion?

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    Re:Looking to buy Superior Drummer...with some advice first! 2013/03/10 05:53:44 (permalink)
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    How did you like The Classic EZ expansion?

    The drums themselves sound fine (my favourite is the Yamaha kit) but swapping between The Classic, the standard EZ drums and the standard Superior drums shows a lack of ooomph that requires boosting the output by 5 to 6 dB to cure.
    The midi is pretty good.
    Overall I'm happy to have more drums but I don't see The Classic as an essential purchase.

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