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Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
Hi . . . just looking for opinions about Omnisphere as a soft synth. I've read many good things, heard the demos online. I've been looking to upgrade from my 1990's hardware synths for a while now, and Omnisphere seems to be what I'm looking for, but if anyone here uses it, can you please comment about it ? My musical needs for a soft synth are mainly as a producer, and composer. I'm just looking for some ready to go sounds I can call up to complete arrangements, very little sound + synth tweaking desired. Also, while we're at it, suggestions for any other favoured "meat and potatoes" soft synths welcomed.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 02:08:44
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Well I'll just give you the feelings I have on the three I own: Komplete 9: $500, same basic price as Omnisphere. Over all, if I could only keep one thing, this'd probably be it. Not a single synth, but a bunch. Kontakt (sampler), Reaktor (synth designer), Massive (wavetable), FM8 (FM additive), Guitar Rig (amp simulator) and a host of samples. Real good quality, and quite good coverage. I are a NI fanboy now :). Only real negatives I could give is the coverage isn't as wide as some other packs in the same price. It is more quality over quantity. Also things are all housed under one roof, you have a number of different programs to launch. Totally expandable in every way. You can buy or find new samples for Kontakt, synths for Reaktor, presets for FM8, etc, etc. Has some nice plugins too, which work outside of the synths. Halion Sonic 2: $250 + $30ish for eLicenser (DRM dongle). This is a real nice "ROMpler" style synth, so if you are looking for something like hardware synths, maybe the way to go. Really wide coverage, including the entire general MIDI capital tone set, and variations on every instrument. Also has some nice simple knob controls for parameters of instruments, and is multi-timbaral. Nice if you want "one interface to rule them all." You load everything in the same setup, regardless of what synthesis it is using underneath and the browser is pretty good. Not the best samples in the world, but good, and not too large (I measure about 10GB on disk). Also lots of built-in FX and so on (internal to the program only). Sound is reminiscent of a Yamaha Motif since Yamaha had the Motif team work on the samples (Yamaha owns Steinberg). You can also upgrade to the full version of Halion for the cost difference ($100) if you want. Halion Sonic has no expansion, no editing at all, just a ROMpler, Halion is like Kontakt and is fully expandable, though there's not a lot of content for it (I have only Sonic). EastWest Play: $variable. Also requires an iLok (another DRM dongle). EastWest makes quite possibly the best sounding samples I've ever heard. Orchestral/movie focused, but plenty of new age EDM stuff, and world instruments. Prices are fairly high, generally $300-600 for most sets, prices also can vary a lot as they do various sales all the time. Sets vary in content. Goliath is a general purpose 40GB set covering the GM tones and then some, Pianos is just three grand pianos spanning 260GB recorded at 3 mic positions each. Amazing stuff, hampered by Play. I find it to be a fiddly, problematic, program, that I've been fighting with for years. I would caution you only to buy their stuff if you have other things you like, and if you are willing to potentially put up with a lot of crap. Play is also unexpandable and offers little in the way of customization. They do sound amazing though.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 02:40:50
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What 90's hardware synths do you own? What type of music are you mainly into. That determines the choice of synth to a certain extent. Also Camel Audio Alchemy is a killer instrument too. It has a very beautiful sound. You can tailor the expansion packs to suit your needs very well.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 02:48:42
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Sycraft . . . excellent, thanks for your in depth reviews of some alternate options. I have looked at Komplete 9 from NI, since I have a limited edition version of it called "Komplete Elements" which I use frequently. NI Kontakt seems to be an industry standard that many on the forum here use, and recommend. The others you suggest, I will have to investigate . . . thanks again for your input.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 03:06:33
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Jeff Evans What 90's hardware synths do you own? What type of music are you mainly into. That determines the choice of synth to a certain extent. Also Camel Audio Alchemy is a killer instrument too. It has a very beautiful sound. You can tailor the expansion packs to suit your needs very well.
Hi Jeff . . . I would categorize what I do to be generally pop music, 3 minute songs, with vocals, lyrics, 5 piece band arrangements. How about Roland JV80 and Alesis Quadra Synth S-4, remember those ? Kinda' long in the tooth now, looking to convert to newer soft synths. I've heard of Camel Alchemy, but don't really know much about it . . . thanks, more research to do.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 03:19:28
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2013/11/16 10:18:17
I have oooodles.... agree, K9 gives you lots for the price. Synthmaster is an amazing synth for way fewer dollars (it's always got a good discount going). You should google it....stupid name but really amazing for the $100 and you can download it and try it for FREE. I love alchemy, which also has a FREE version but sound packages can add up. Checkout the uber blowout deal at musician's friend (79 vs 400 retail) for Sample Logic packages...see this forum I have omnisphere. don't go to it a lot for some reason... and it's more of a hybrid rompler than a "synth" like synthmaster is.... Also love Zebra and Diva, again both with FREE demo tryouts but the latter will squish your computer... Try before you buy is a NO BRAINER... take an evening and try Synthmaster, alchemy, zebra and diva... before you invest in something huge like Omnisphere, which you can't try!!!
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 03:42:23
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Vastman . . thanks for the input, particularly interesting is that I've also noticed Omnisphere has no demo ! I guess you just have to be a believer ? Tricky, to spend over $500 dollars for a quality soft synth, without a test drive. I will certainly take your advice and check out Synthmaster.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 04:50:33
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noynekker Sycraft . . . excellent, thanks for your in depth reviews of some alternate options. I have looked at Komplete 9 from NI, since I have a limited edition version of it called "Komplete Elements" which I use frequently. NI Kontakt seems to be an industry standard that many on the forum here use, and recommend. The others you suggest, I will have to investigate . . . thanks again for your input.
NI has been at it a long time and seems to have their software down real well. They also have favourable licensing terms. As such, pretty much any company that doesn't make their own software uses NI. Some release stuff in other formats too, but NI is real popular. Particularly since they'll let companies do "player" releases where the company pays NI licensing, and their samples work in Kontakt Player so that people don't need to buy anything. It also supports some DRM, which companies like. Also some companies will release stuff that requires the full Kontakt, because then there is no licensing fee. EastWest actually used to release their stuff for Kontakt, and I wish they still did. However they decided they had to have the iLok DRM, so they wrote their own problematic sampler. If you go for the NI stuff, Komplete is pretty much the only way to go on account of their pricing structure. Kontakt or Reaktor alone are $400 each, and Massive, FM8, and Absynth are all $200 each. Komplete Ultimate, which is $1000, isn't a huge upgrade and you can always buy the upgrade for the cost difference later, if you want.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 07:08:52
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OK Quadra synth and JV80 are a bit dated now for sure. If you had said Kurzweil then that would be a different story! For pop music you need a decent array of bread and butter core sounds to start with. Drums, (percussion, electronic kits loops etc) basses, guitars, pianos (acoustic and electric) , organs, strings and assortment of keyboard sounds etc. I would be looking for the best instrument that is going to give you these at least straight up and you can add to later. Native Komplete Ultimate while very impressive might be too much. Kontakt on the other hand might be perfect. Alchemy is a bit of a weird animal. Capable of doing a lot but it might not be a good pop machine though. Some instruments like Omnisphere have millions of amazing pads and atmospheres but are they going to really help you in a pop situation. Sometimes these types of synths sound so good (on their own) that you cant use them! Does it cover the real core basics well. (I don't own it so Omni people should elaborate) If you were doing complex ambient music or cinematic trailers then some of the more interesting machines are going to cut it. Sounds like it needs to sample based at least so you can get the core sounds down. Kontakt sounds ideal but it is $400 which is a lot. Or Komplete 9 at $500 rather than ultimate. For the same money as Omnisphere it seems like a better deal. You still get a ton of instruments. Or you could just start with Kontakt (which is huge) and upgrade to Komplete later. (for $99) Is Zebra going to give you the core sounds you need? Maybe not. Fabulous instrument but you have to be careful as to what some say about it. They might already have all the core basics down with other VST's and Zebra would then be a wonderful addition. Do you already own any VST's that are giving you great core pop sounds. If you do then you need something to add to that but if not you really need to think about establishing the meat and potatoes stuff first. The Emulator X2 is another good option as well. I started with a hardware Emulator and still have a high powered rack with over 70G of sound library and there is still nothing it cannot do! Another option is to buy a series of smaller VST's to cover all the bases you need eg a great piano VST, organ VST, drum VST etc but in the end that might end up costing you more. Komplete starts looking pretty good then. Are you opposed to buying another hardware synth. The Kurzweil PC3K6 is a killer instrument and with the Kore 64 expansion installed has thousands of patches and the thing is it would eat the pop music thing for breakfast. But it can do all the Omni stuff too. But I do agree hardware is expensive and soft synths are much cheaper and still sound amazing. Anyway just some ideas to throw around.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 07:44:06
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I think the reason Omnisphere has no demo is that because of the sheer size of it a demo couldn't really do it justice. FWIW if you watched the demo videos on their website, there is no smoke and mirrors going on - it does exactly what it says on the tin and more and although I haven't needed to have much to do with the customer service side, when I did they were first class. I have no regrets at all about buying it and it usually sneaks in somewhere in just about everything I do. Because of the way you can layer / split things , you do need a decent sized controller keyboard to get the best out of that. Also be aware that there is no standalone version, it only works as a plug-in through a host DAW, such as Sonar. Not a problem for me, but something to consider if planning to use it in a live scenario. What it isn't is the type of synth you would use purely to mimic a particular instrument, say if you wanted to play a realistic sax solo or some such thing, I don't have kontakt/komplete, but that would probably be the way to go for "real" instruments if that is what you want. I do have EastWest Colossus (now called Goliath I think) for that sort of thing, but in truth I hardly ever use it now. As others have said, it really depends what you want. The tone2 synths are quite nice too, and have demos, but for me a little more pricey than what they would be worth to me. Off the beaten track...a couple of steinberg (yeah, I know) synths are good value in my opinion - Padshop Pro and Retrologue. Steinberg customer service sucks imho and they have a habit of not developing stuff any further, but these are cheap enough for that to not be too much of an issue. 30 day demos avaiable of these on their site.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 10:14:40
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2013/11/16 10:19:49
You've heard Omnisphere in almost every TV show aired over the last 5 years. It's truly ubiquitous. After you've played with it for a while and become familiar with its sounds, you'll start hearing familiar patches every time you turn on the TV. There's a reason for that: it sounds great! I love Omnisphere and use it a lot, it wouldn't be my first choice for pop productions. Kontakt would top the list for bread 'n butter sounds. After that, a versatile synthesizer such as Zebra or Synthmaster. Only after acquiring those staples would I add Omnisphere and/or Alchemy to broaden the sonic palette further.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 11:02:48
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noynekker - I've been saving up spare change to acquire Omnisphere myself. Since it's a larger purchase than most I've been approaching it differently than an impulse buy.
I picked up the tutorial on Omnisphere from Groove 3. The tutorial is very low cost and goes through hours of explanation about the tool. It's a demo in regards to showing how to use the settings and then listening to the results.
It's a slam dunk to make the purchase because Omnisphere is fantastic. I'm almost now have saved enough for it and will be getting it soon. The Groove 3 tutorial has kept me plenty busy learning how to use Omnisphere while I was saving up for it.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 11:08:26
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I have...and love...Omnisphere. That said I agree you'll get way more production bang for the buck with K9 Komplete (or the more expensive Ultimate). If you just need a good all around, easy to use and affordable synth you might take a look at the new WAVES Element. $99 usually at most net retailers.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 11:51:40
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I concur with the others - Kontakt for overall everything-is-here stuff (plus tons of add-ons), Omni for the awesome background/New Age/movie/TV soundtrack stuff. Don't overlook Korg Legacy and Arturia for the olde skool synths - decent price for what you get. The afore mentioned U-he (Zebra, Diva, etc), Synthmaster, and Camel Audio's Alchemy are also ones that are outstanding. And in 3 or 4 years Sampletank 3 might be out, so that's something to consider ...
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 13:24:33
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Thanks everyone ! Some great and helpful comments here, especially those recommending targeting my spending on more core basic synth sounds such as NI Kontakt, since I do mostly pop music. I really like the idea of combining symphonic / orchestral samples with a 5 piece band, and many songs I work on use that concept. So far, Omnisphere seems to have the most unique sound library, but it's true I may not use it to it's potential in vocal based pop music. I also need to buy a new weighted controller keyboard, so I have spending decisions there as well, and might yet find a hardware synth option that appeals.
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2013/11/16 16:39:29
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OMnisphere is a beast. comes with some 8000 patches. mostly sample based and layered. Omni does have a synth engine and ALL the 3rd party sound packs are using the synth engine to produce new sounds. you cannot import your own samples at all. what you get is what you get. sounds amazing though and my go to VST for inspiration. ReFX Nexus 2 is another rompler with tweaking very similar to Omnisphere. sample based sounds and requires a eLiceners (Steinberg). many many addon packs and really great sounds for pop, dance, trance EDM. it really is a preset user dream cause the sounds are so good and just usable. - no 3rd party add-ons only ReFX makes add-ons but there are a lot available. Korg M1 VST. it's $49.00!!!! it comes with ALL the factory soundbank cards that Korg produced and you can find tons of sounds for free on the web. it's a dated synth but just one of the Pop music go to synths. still sounds great and it's ....it just sounds great and works. Korg Wavestation VST. it's $49.00 .....see Korg M1 LOL. I also have NI Komplete started with Komplete 8 to get the basic programs (Kontakt, Guitar Rig, FM8, Massive, etc) it's you want 2 of any NI basic programs then just buy Komplete standard and you get so so so much more. I now have Komplete 9 Ultimate cause I wanted a lot of the add-ons. Camel Audio Alchemy. great synth. multiple type - FM, grandular, sample manipulation. great addon packs available. this is really a synth. easy(ish) to program but presets and addons can get you by. Alchemy player is free and you get some sounds to play with but the player can be used to start a fully functioning trial for 30 days of Alchemy. I did it that way and fell inlove with it. My go to synth VSTs are Omni, Alchemy, Nexus2, Massive then Korg M1 and Wavestation. I am a preset guy. I don't tend to program or tweak much - I can, I just prefer to lay down a track or idea not get in LFO black hole LOL.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/16 16:58:45
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also wanted to mention you should listen to YouTube sounds of anything your thinking of buying. free and you get a idea of what sounds you can get or find. saves you sometimes investing in expensive synths. I have a Akai MPK 88 weighted controller and it's expensive but I got it on sale. pads and knobs plus sliders for MIDI learn to control VST synths. it has true weighted keys and feels like a true piano with 88 keys. I use my Ensoniq ESQ-1 61 keys keyboard and my Oxygen 49 for most synth programing and playing cause I like the keys better than the MPK. they all have a different use for different playing styles for different uses. if you have hardware synths I would use those for a while as MIDI controllers until you find you need something else. depending on your playing style and what you find you need.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/17 11:23:00
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My only complaint about the stuff in Komplete is that the presets ain't all that...take something like Massive, I would never dream of using at least 95% of the presets you get with it. The synths are brilliantly designed and easy to learn, but I've heard the presets in Omnisphere are more usable.
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Re: Looking to buy new soft synth - Omnisphere high on my list
2013/11/17 11:41:44
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noynekker Hi . . . just looking for opinions about Omnisphere as a soft synth. I've read many good things, heard the demos online. I've been looking to upgrade from my 1990's hardware synths for a while now, and Omnisphere seems to be what I'm looking for, but if anyone here uses it, can you please comment about it ? My musical needs for a soft synth are mainly as a producer, and composer. I'm just looking for some ready to go sounds I can call up to complete arrangements, very little sound + synth tweaking desired. Also, while we're at it, suggestions for any other favoured "meat and potatoes" soft synths welcomed.
For me , don't laught but at 99 you get the Arturia minilab (controller) AND the Analog Lab witch is a stupid deal for real if you're looking for presets and variaty in the analog world (5000 presets !!) For the big dog , yep Omnisphere is great (got the moog tribute and Trillian ) , trillian monosynth section is just a joy !!! thks to Ol Pal (or John can't recall) i got also Alchemy witch can be my desert island with no problem !! NI bundle is serious other since that i consider must hav : OPX pro II UHE Diva LUSH -101 FXpansion DCAM Synth squad AAS ultra analog V2 (love it for lead !!) Modern Tone 2 Saurus / Electra X/rayblaster /nemesis (dec 01) Rob papen : Blue /predator /Blade (for atmospherique and wobbling sound) Massive Zeta2 Reveal sound SPIRE .....just got it , sound super good ....but i don't validate yet until i'm sure it's stable
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