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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/08 17:42:15
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brundlefly
ANY reasonable excuse
The majority of the extra revenue from the UK goes to pay for the fireworks display at Cakewalk's annual Independence Day employee picnic, and a small portion covers the costs of translating Noel's "Under the Hood" post to "Beneath the Bonnet".
That's good enough for me  , I just want to hear it from the Cakewalk financial department...
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/08 19:27:25
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Did any of you think about the operation in Ireland that distributes the European Sonar's, do you honestly think that is a free service?
Could it be that those 20 quid is actually going towards financing that?
Hell it is the same as DVD a bag of sweets and a brew or two, for entertainment in front of the telly on a saturday evening.
I really can't see the logic in the complaints when you consider what you are getting for your money.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/08 23:54:33
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Telecaster
Did any of you think about the operation in Ireland that distributes the European Sonar's, do you honestly think that is a free service?
Could it be that those 20 quid is actually going towards financing that?
Hell it is the same as DVD a bag of sweets and a brew or two, for entertainment in front of the telly on a saturday evening.
I really can't see the logic in the complaints when you consider what you are getting for your money.
Thats right, the distribution centre handles the downloads....Logic all the way. Besides, European distribution is something Cakewalk has established on its own accord, to distribute to its wholesale customers. The premium (if any) should NOT be passed on to prospective download customers.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/09 01:28:25
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Karyn
I have stated several times exactly what rules are being broken. You know, you really haven't. What particular law? Can you point me to some authoritative source that backs up what you're saying is the question.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/09 04:06:03
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Karyn
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/09 05:07:57
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Yeah, my bad. I paraphrased it into simple, single sentences instead of linking to the pages and pages of beaurocratic technobable.
Thanks for posting the links Twig
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/09 05:43:57
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Karyn
brundlefly
ANY reasonable excuse
The majority of the extra revenue from the UK goes to pay for the fireworks display at Cakewalk's annual Independence Day employee picnic, and a small portion covers the costs of translating Noel's "Under the Hood" post to "Beneath the Bonnet".
That's good enough for me , I just want to hear it from the Cakewalk financial department...
Come on Cakewalk! you can explain this right? I still find it hard to believe that somebody from Cakewalk hasn't chimed in yet. I certainly want some explaination about the hidden VAT registration number. 
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/09 10:04:18
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PerChr
Cakewalk's dollar-euro pricing is complete bullsh....
A lot of US based companies get this right, but not Cakewalk
X1Producer upgade from 8.5 Producer shouldn't be more than €79.
And.. don't give me the Customs tax and/or VAT argument.
At least in Norway that is MY problem, not Cakewalk's.
(No Customs tax but 25% VAT)
Per
P.S As usual I expect this topic to be completely ignored by the Bakers....
Since they distribute through Roland in Europe I guess they don't want to compete with local retailers. So they set the price accordingly. You can order from Cake store, and still local Roland will send you the box and want something for that. More strange was Celemony pricing on latest version of Melodyne. They had like USD 249 and EUR 199 for one version(Assistant). But they equalled to USD 699 and EUR 699 for most expensive version. Cake is at least consistent in how they price stuff.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/09 19:35:16
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JenksTer
Telecaster
Did any of you think about the operation in Ireland that distributes the European Sonar's, do you honestly think that is a free service?
Could it be that those 20 quid is actually going towards financing that?
Hell it is the same as DVD a bag of sweets and a brew or two, for entertainment in front of the telly on a saturday evening.
I really can't see the logic in the complaints when you consider what you are getting for your money.
Thats right, the distribution centre handles the downloads....Logic all the way.
Besides, European distribution is something Cakewalk has established on its own accord, to distribute to its wholesale customers. The premium (if any) should NOT be passed on to prospective download customers.
Well I really wasn't talking about downloads which I personally would not do, but i see your point even though I don't care about £20 more or less.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/10 04:06:22
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My chosen upgrade path is £45 extra (8.5 Studio to X1 Producer). I find it hard to ignore throwing £45 away.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/10 11:36:14
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Well it's 5 pages in and still no official response from CW.
I've emailed them over the years about this and I still await a response.
Despite everything that the forum members say on here, CW know full well that enough people from the UK and will pay whatever CW ask.
Sad, but true.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/10 13:43:04
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While I originally thought it was extra costs incurred by your shipping/import laws, it seems now that it's probably based on distribution rights with the people who carry Cake products. Why would anyone stock Sonar on the shelf if they knew that users could order it cheaper from a different company? If Cake is to break into the Euro market, then they need a product on the shelf, and they'll also need the numbers behind the sales to encourage stores to carry the product.
It may suck, but only a little bit. We get a Cake product somewhat cheaper, and you get decent health care. Personally, I'd rather switch places.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/10 14:20:30
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I can not decipher the deeper meaning of your profile pic, but was thinking that a more appropriate name for you might be RHINOsant Order. (for the african variety) LOL
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/10 14:27:13
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this is why our forefathers came to this country in the first place ... cheap software! 
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/10 21:58:16
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/11 10:56:45
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It's the people from the following places that I think are getting a worse deal than us in the UK as they would be forced to the Europe site but are outside the EU for VAT purposes and so should be getting goods tax free: [probably not exhaustive list] The Island of Heligoland The territory of Büesingen Mount Athos (Greece) The Canary Islands Ceuta (Spain) Melilla (Spain) Livigno (Italy) Campione d'Italia (Italy) The Italian waters of Lake Lugano The Channel Islands [Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney/Sark] Gibraltar Switzerland Andorra San Marino Vatican City Faroe Islands
post edited by Twigman - 2010/11/11 10:59:20
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/11 11:02:48
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I was looking at a Sounds Online ad for the recent sale, and it divides the world up the same way. US + everyone else, and then a shop for Europeans.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/11 11:09:52
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Twigman
It's the people from the following places that I think are getting a worse deal than us in the UK as they would be forced to the Europe site but are outside the EU for VAT purposes and so should be getting goods tax free:
[probably not exhaustive list]
The Island of Heligoland
The territory of Büesingen
Mount Athos (Greece)
The Canary Islands
Ceuta (Spain)
Melilla (Spain)
Livigno (Italy)
Campione d'Italia (Italy)
The Italian waters of Lake Lugano
The Channel Islands [Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney/Sark]
Gibraltar
Switzerland
Andorra
San Marino
Vatican City
Faroe Islands
Are you sure about that? I think there is a link for US/ Worldwide or "Other" at the Cakewalk online store so they should be able to avoid EU pricing AFAICT.
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/11 11:20:48
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Twigman
It's the people from the following places that I think are getting a worse deal than us in the UK as they would be forced to the Europe site but are outside the EU for VAT purposes and so should be getting goods tax free:
[probably not exhaustive list]
The Island of Heligoland
The territory of Büesingen
Mount Athos (Greece)
The Canary Islands
Ceuta (Spain)
Melilla (Spain)
Livigno (Italy)
Campione d'Italia (Italy)
The Italian waters of Lake Lugano
The Channel Islands [Jersey/Guernsey/Alderney/Sark]
Gibraltar
Switzerland
Andorra
San Marino
Vatican City
Faroe Islands
Are you sure about that? I think there is a link for US/ Worldwide or "Other" at the Cakewalk online store so they should be able to avoid EU pricing AFAICT.
Someone a few posts ago from Switzerland was forced to use the Europe site, paid full VAT inclusive price but his invoice showed tax paid as 0 [at least it recognised that no tax was chargeable] - so he was seriously stung......I think I should've had Norway on that list too.
post edited by Twigman - 2010/11/11 11:22:47
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/11 11:31:53
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Someone a few posts ago from Switzerland was forced to use the Europe site, paid full VAT inclusive price but his invoice showed tax paid as 0 [at least it recognised that no tax was chargeable] - so he was seriously stung......I think I should've had Norway on that list too.
Twigman
Yes that's me who is quite upset by the situation where swiss people are considered as in the EU zone... This is not the case with the german shops that I know, they sell tax free and I pay the swiss taxes when I receive the parcels. Same for East West for example, to give an US example of company who treats europe in a normal way -which cakewalk doesn't, although I don't think they are not very smaller than EW, aren't they?
post edited by ssebs - 2010/11/11 11:32:57
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/11 12:09:05
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Twigman
Someone a few posts ago from Switzerland was forced to use the Europe site, paid full VAT inclusive price but his invoice showed tax paid as 0 [at least it recognised that no tax was chargeable] - so he was seriously stung......I think I should've had Norway on that list too.
Ok yeah..seen the post. That is a bit strange.
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PerChr
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/11 13:33:31
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I emailed Cakewalk asking why Norway is listed in the EU/ Euro region.
But no answer, and to be honest I don't expect an answer either.
(emailed them last year too, no answer...)
When they define Europe as EU , ALL European countries who's not EU-members should be in "Other(usd)"
Per
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/13 10:57:06
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Yeah, I've decided to pass on X1 for this reason. The price for downloads should be: (USD to EUR/GBP conversion) + EU Member's own VAT rate. Hence, someone in France will be paying a different price from someone in the UK depending on the country's VAT as it is with every other US based company I purchase from... "Please stop the Cakewalk Champagne Party Gravy Train... I want to get off."
post edited by arkiruthis - 2010/11/13 11:08:45
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/13 11:35:12
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Well, you know, a transparent price policy is so last decade 
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/13 11:39:29
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ssebs: Actually, Cakewalk should implement a "Wheel Of Fortune" style price generator.  You put your items in the basket and at the end spin the wheel to see what magic random number is added onto the value of your goods. (min. item on the wheel is £30)
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/13 11:56:12
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on the wheel there should be a "bad luck" square: if you hit it, you pay the vat for all the customers of the day 
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/13 18:14:23
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I think it's all part of the "special relationship", bend over, touch your toes and smile............
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/14 08:49:34
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So when the vat rate in the UK goes up to 20% in January next year,does this mean that the upgrade price for UK users will rise too ?
Just curious.....
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/14 15:48:23
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Re:Looks great, but the announced pricing surely is a misprint?
2010/11/16 14:44:54
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Freedom of choice, if you think it's too pricey, don't buy it. £89 to me is cheap, if you say it quick. Wait until the first bug fix.
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