Lost Hope (redux) - John Burgess (Blipp)

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Lost Hope (redux) - John Burgess (Blipp)

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/21 08:22:02 (permalink)


    It seemed rewarding, to me as a viewer, to get the impression that your video was made with intent.

    The work you put into thinking about the shots, the pre production etc. is easy to appreciate.


    Thanks for sharing.


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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/21 08:35:58 (permalink)
    That was cool
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/21 12:36:08 (permalink)
    Hi Shad, although i do like this also and appreciate you have worked hard on this new version, I prefer the previous attempt as the natural sound affects really added to the overall video.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/21 14:20:08 (permalink)
    I'm going to agree with Mark above. You've made huge leaps with the new video, really flexed your creative muscles and introduced a raft of techniques, hats off for that.

    For me though, the first video had more impact, because of it's simplicity, the sound effects and the minimalist feel of both film and music, which made the ending so affecting.

     
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/21 22:09:08 (permalink)
    Yup, me too. Me too. And even that was pretty awful. Ah well... Sigh... doubts are starting to creep in. I think I need to stop kidding myself and recognizing that desire is a long way from talent. I am just embarrassing myself.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/21 22:19:44 (permalink)
    I am just embarrassing myself.



    I thought that's what this forum was for. No?

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/21 22:20:10 (permalink)
    No embarrassment at all shad, you should be proud you've tapped into another talent you possess and go with it. I really liked the first video a lot.

    What I will say though is you shouldn't really keep deleting your posts, as people take the time to comment as you've requested, and it feels like it isn't worth it if you just delete them?
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/21 23:20:04 (permalink)
    You are probably right Mark. I don't know any more. I think I need to slow down and not post things until I am satisfied with them. The caveat is I seem to only notice the problems after I post it. Perhaps I am too wrapped up in the process to see the whole picture.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/22 00:48:14 (permalink)
    Either that or post things, as ideas? And get ideas from others as to how to improve them? The creative process is not clearly defined or understood, nor is it uniform.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/22 10:21:49 (permalink)
    It is strange. I have never been embarrassed by posting music, art, writings - I suspect I did not really care if anybody thought they were good or not. But I am embarrassed posting this. I guess I care a bit more.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/22 12:08:49 (permalink)
    Ok here it is. I first listned to the music and watch the video and I couldnt really figure out what they have in common. Than I read about an other video that you had to this tune. Ok I think the music stands for it self it is very good and I think this second video didnt add anything at all but it didnt disturb either.
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/22 13:29:04 (permalink)
    timidi



    I am just embarrassing myself.



    I thought that's what this forum was for. No?

    I've proved that > 49K times IIRC
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/22 13:32:30 (permalink)
    Shad, I've seen both videos, and you can and should be proud of both.  What a luxury to be able to edit and do what you want to either.  I think you're growing by leaps and bounds.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/22 22:34:56 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback guys. 

    I will admit I am a bit confused by a few of the responses. Do you mean you liked the last song vid I did (Snow Day - with the song Dragonfly), or the first version of this vid? The reason I ask is there were no sounds in the first that were not in this (the only sounds added to either were traffic noise at the very beginning). I did cut out the first walking scene as it was kind of pointless and seemed more like a commercial than music vid start up.

    If Snow Day, then I think I understand what might be missing, and will confess I had more than one internal debate about it already. I thought about keeping some of the sounds of traffic, the train and so on (I actually have some interesting recordings from the shoot). I also debated adding some of the voice from the "news reports" shown when the TV shots are on.

    John mentioned one thing about it that might be right and that I gave too much information. Perhaps I need to reduce the number of TV scenes?

    James - I completely agree with the simplicty statement. I should not have doubted that. I regret not staying true to myself in this.  I should have listened to Robby. He tried to tell me, but I failed to hear. I think you may be right in that the last one was far more affective (where as this is more effective). Self doubt is a terrible thing. I really do not like it.


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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/22 22:53:39 (permalink)
    Robby - I should have listened. (thanks for watching)

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/23 16:02:48 (permalink)
    I like the music. There could be alterations to the continuo though. After a while, it gets boring. IMO, subtle chnages through chords would keep the interest going. 

    I don't like the video.

    Great bit of writing! Thanks for sharing!

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    Re:Lost Hope - John Burgess 2013/01/23 16:19:38 (permalink)
    Hey - you shouldn’t  feel anything negative related to making this. You’re not “talking about” making a video, you’re doing it. All responses from forum members are subjective (as is this) and I would guess all designed to be helpful. I’ve seen both vids, not really sure which I preferred more - it’s such a dark (emotionally) video that I can’t say I enjoyed them - more like I found them interesting on some level.  If I had to pick, I’d go with the first simply because it was so vague I became more invested in it by projecting my own interpretation of the story line.  Again, the music seems to fit both in that it is a dark little piece. 
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/23 16:31:47 (permalink)
    Hey Foxwolfen

    I do video editing for a living and I'm also extending my creativity to music composition.  These days, as a musician you have to be so many things.  The writer, the musician, the engineer, the marketer, the distributor, the video editor, director etc, etc.  People are very quick to critisize if one of those elements is not quite right and it's no wonder juggling all these things can get you down, confused and frustrated.  I struggle with this myself.  At the end of the day you love and want to make music.  If it feels right, it is right - never second guess what other people might think as this dilutes your initial creative spark and you end up pleasing no one - worst of all not yourself. 

    I've seen the video and heard the music for the first time and I really enjoyed it - they are defiantely complementary and you can be vey proud of this work.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 00:16:44 (permalink)
    Eko - If you could not figure that out, then I have made a mistake somewhere. I wonder if the answer lay within Manny's response. Thank you for watching.
     
    Manny - Thank you. That is very valuable feedback. I think I know where I went wrong with this version, and where I went right with the first (which was intended to be so open ended the viewer could "insert own story here", much as you describe). Jules made a good point elsewhere that I need to just be true to my own vision, then let it go.
     
    Robert - Thanks for the kind words and feedback about the song. I am sure Blipp will be interested in them. I regret you did not enjoy the video, but just saying you did not like does not tell me anything about why. I genuinely want to know what you did not like. I cannot improve without that information. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to look. That is always appreciated.
     
    Thanks Dan, and welcome to the forums. I appreciate the boost. I have much to learn, but you are right: at the end of the day I love what I do.
     
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 10:59:32 (permalink)
    To me the video did not portray lost hope. It just seemed like a journey. It did not seem to go anywhere.

    Lost hope for me is:

    Religion - all these believers who don't believe and yet they do it so fiercly.

    Homeless - in a world of believers, why are there homeless?

    Healthcare - Everyone complains about the cost yet the cheapest way is socialized medicine. For some reason, that's immoral?

    War - Everyone seems against war yet we spend ENORMOUS amounts of money on it.

    There was a bloke in England after WWII who said, "if we can spend so much money to kill people, why can't we spend just as much to heal them?" I'm not sure I got the quote exact but that's the jist of it.

    The botttom of it all is religion. There is nothing more perverse than that. Who knows if there is a god or not but if there is and he is what I learned growing up catholic, he's not happy with religion or the stupid humans who let atrocities happen in his name. Americans are so woefully ill-informed.  I don't know about other countries.

    That's my idea of lost hope. Although, I would not know how to portray all that in a video.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 11:12:44 (permalink)
    Thank you for that Robert. You have identified a raging debate I have been having with myself for weeks now: actually "say something" (semi-activist). What prevents me is that whatever stance I may take, I will probably offend at least half my audience. I cannot help but wonder if the first vid would have been more effective in allowing you to apply your own meaning to the aspect of lost hope. Grrrr.. the killer in this is I stupidly did not copy the project, but kept on developing the same one, so I cannot revert back to the original. I am really kicking myself over that.

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 11:16:21 (permalink)
    For me, the 'lost hope' was pretty self explanatory, if one watched the vid to the end.

    Shad, you uploaded the vid to YouTube, so surely it still exists in MPEG format, if not the project itself?

     
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 11:36:57 (permalink)
    One of the problems with working full time at another job and trying to do this is editing sessions last long into the night, and there is a point when decision making abilities are ... less than stellar. The other night was one of them. Video projects take up huge amounts of disk space. I only have a tera. I was running out and the machine was bottlenecked. The mass sweep of stored projects used too large a broom. *hangs head in shame*

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 11:38:46 (permalink)
    And... I deleted it from youtube when I uploaded this one... arrrrgggggg!!!! ... sigh

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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 15:44:42 (permalink)
    very nice work
    I wish you continued success. Best wishes
     
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 19:00:25 (permalink)
    Great job! I can tell a lot of thought went into getting great composition in your shots.  Some of your best camera work to date IMO and super job on the fades.  The black and white was cool only helping the mood of the song/video.  KUDOS!


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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/24 20:07:13 (permalink)
    I thought it was a cool video - very moody, you can't appreciate it if there is a lot of noise or activity going on around you.  I would have liked a bit more depth to the music also.  Interesting ending.,  What happens next?  What would have happened if he didn't go there?  I guess I picked up on that part because a friend of mine went to the "unnamed hospital you probably know quite well" a few months ago because he was suicidal for a 72 hour assessment.  They let him out the next day, and he promptly got into his car and drove into a tree.  They needed the bed, they told him.  
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/25 21:48:07 (permalink)
    "At the end of the day I love what I do."

    Wow, Shad, that's worth a ton!  Don't hang your head in shame.  Not at all.  (although I can totally relate to that sentiment!)  I thought the video was fantastic.  I tried watching it, not thinking "I know who made this and it's on the forum for critique" but just as something I might see on TV or youtube or whatever.  And I was totally impressed.  Of course, I'm no video editor, but I do watch TV and youtube and nothing stood out to me as amateur.  I really like the music too and found myself wishing I could do something like that.  Perhaps you could change it up towards the 3/4 mark as I sorta wanted it to go somewhere else, if you know what I mean.  

    But I thought it was very well done.  
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    Re:Lost Hope (redux) - John "Blipp" Burgess 2013/01/25 22:38:08 (permalink)
    I don't know where you guys get the time to learn and mess with video AND maintain a music studio.  I'm not that ambitious.     The black and white video was very sharp and the music fit the video well, it created a very melencholy mood.  It would probaby do well at the Sundance festival.

    I'm going to go kill myself now..

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