Low Output Level

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2015/06/12 19:49:56 (permalink)

Low Output Level

I route everything through my audio interface and monitors. I have noticed that when ever I use Sonar I have to turn the output volume up on my interface. Not a bit, a lot, say 40% higher than any other audio source I have. Just today I was recording some guitar and I know the levels were good, but on playback I'd swear the levels must have been very low.
 
I've noticed this in all versions of Sonar X series so I'm curious if any others have noticed the same. Again, my other DAW's and music programs don't respond like this.

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    mettelus
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    Re: Low Output Level 2015/06/12 20:55:10 (permalink)
     I cannot think of anything offhand that would cause this, and sounds like you are hearing different levels from simply tracking to playback (I am not sure I understand the OP fully). Is there a difference between your track's metering levels while recording and playback for that track?
     
    I am not familiar with your audio interface, so wondering if there is routing going on there (external to FX inside SONAR) that are contributing.

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    Re: Low Output Level 2015/06/12 22:53:25 (permalink)
    I wish I could explain it better. Let's say I'm doing a bunch of things on my PC all day, including audio stuff. When I switch to Sonar I have to turn up the output on my audio interface quite a bit.
     
    The same thing seems to happen when exporting audio. I have to run all the levels high on export or the output file will be too quiet.
     
    I'll have to figure out if the routing is at play.

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    Re: Low Output Level 2015/06/13 09:48:03 (permalink)
    ampfixer
     
    The same thing seems to happen when exporting audio. I have to run all the levels high on export or the output file will be too quiet.
     
    I'll have to figure out if the routing is at play.




    I don't understand this. When you export, I assume you adjust the peak level of the master bus to something feasible, say, between -6 dB and -0,3 dB, depending on what the purpose is. Those levels represent the normal, usable levels, and you can not go any louder than that by "running the levels high". That is then the level of the audio file no matter what gear you use for the playback. The position of the volume knob is another thing, it has nothing to do with the loudness.
     
    If it's a mix the RMS level of which you've taken care of, that level is the true loudness of the file played back anywhere. No other play back gear makes it any louder than that, unless compressors or such are in the playback chain.
     
    When you have experienced these "low level files", you surely have checked their levels? What have they been like?
    Your "swearing the levels must have been low" doesn't tell anything. How were the digits?
     
    There must be something very basic causing this phenomenon. 
     

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    Zargg
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    Re: Low Output Level 2015/06/13 16:19:57 (permalink)
    Hi. Could it be that your media player(s) have an auto normalize setting, causing SONAR to be lower?
    Best of luck.

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