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Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it?

Hi all...
I posted this problem a couple of months back but still looking for a solution.
There is background bursts of low level noise all the time coming from through my A/D Firewire interface.
I thought it might be the Firewire 410, so changed it out for my Behringer - no different. I now have a Focusrite Saphire pro 40 in place, but again no different, so reckon it's not the A/D.
Since the DAW PC onboard Firewire chipset is not a TI one, I've disabled it and installed a Startech 4 port Firewire card which does use the TI chipset instead.
Again, no difference whatsoever. 
Really struggling to know what to do or try next. It might be my imagination, but the problem seems to have got worse since I upgraded the DAW from 32 to 64 bit Windows 7.
If it's coming from within the PC operation itself, how on earth do I stop it or at least cut it down?
Any and all ideas welcome!!

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 13:09:31 (permalink)
    Are you sure it's not a vintage VST that's introducing the noise like the tape emulator?

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 13:29:03 (permalink)
    This could be so many things, so isolating each item in the chain is about the only way to troubleshoot. Do you get it with no inputs connected and the transport idle? You seem to have focused on inputs only, but have you checked connections/possible grounds in outputs? Direct monitoring with headphones versus monitors, etc.?

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 13:52:31 (permalink)
    Is it getting printed to your tracks?
     
    Anyway one possible and important thing to check is make sure you do not have audio cables anywhere near power cables or anything devices with power running through them (especially you monitor screen or your reference monitors/spekers/poweramps/etc). I recently created an elaborate system for running patch/mic cables coming from my guitar amps, mixing console, etc up and across my walls so they are as far away from anything with significant juice running through them (like my flatscreen monitor and the top of my guitar amps). It helped get rid of a lot of hum.
     
    The other thing is to make sure you are using quality cables and that whenever possible you use "balanced" and/or "shielded" cables which reduce noise interference. Also I had a problem with some of my "brand new" patch cables where the darned things were scratchy and causing hums/cutouts. I unscrewed the connection sleeves and the way they had been wired/soldered was a total mess. I could have resoldered them but I managed to just slip little pieces of electrical tape to keep the frayed copper strands from touching crap they shouldn't have been and voila! Nice clean patch cables.
     
    And as was mentioned above if you have a bunch of effects, particularly the new Prochannel Tape Sim, disable them one by one to see if they are causing noise. That noise will NOT be printed on to your tracks until you bounce/mixdown. 
     
    Other than that make sure you are using good powerbars for all your equipment and that the outlets in your studio are properly grounded. If you are using electric instruments such as a guitar try moving around your room a bit with your headphones on monitoring the signal to see if you can find a "quiet" spot and then record playing in that position. That will also give you some clues as to what equipment in your studio may be causing hum through your pickups and whatnot.
     
    As far as I know I don't think digital cabling such as USB or Firewire can cause audible hum because it is raw data (not audio) being transmitted but honestly I do not know. I personally would look in the analog part of the chain before blaming the digital devices and connections BUT it doesn't hurt to have quality cables to hook your interface up to your computer.
     
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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 15:29:30 (permalink)
    Background means that it occurs when you are not doing anything at all with the computer when it  happens, and as far as you can tell there are no active computational activities going on 
    Bursts means that the noise happens suddenly between intervals of silence followed shortly by intervals of silence
    Noise unfortunately does not mean much at all other than that it is an irregular waveform that is apparently within the audible range. An oscilloscope might clarify what the predominant frequency of the bursts is. If it is a simple multiple of your line current frequency, then you would look for a source of "hum." If you have recorded the noise, posting a link to it here might give the golden ears (not including myself) who frequent this forum a clue.
     
    Most often this kind of symptom is due to electrical problems in the analog realm, due to the wiring of the peripherals picking it up. It is possible that this electrical field is being generated inside the computer case, but it then has to be transferred to the analog realm and picked up by a transducer (microphone, A/D etc.) in order to become digitized and show up on your digital recording. If it does not show up in your digital recording, then you can just ignore it. 
     
    Since replacing your computer power supply motherboard etc. one at a time can get expensive, and since the problem is more often with external wiring that would be the place to start. If it is audible while monitoring but not present in the recording, then look in the wiring to the speakers or headphones. Some components are notorious for broadcasting electromagnetic interference, like light dimmers, flourescents, motors, switches and wall wort transformers. 
     
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    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul05/articles/qa0705_1.htm
     
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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 17:28:05 (permalink)
    Cellphone near your workstation? Those things put out a lot of RF noise. Definitely make sure it's not just your monitoring system.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 17:36:13 (permalink)
    Good post slaratabartfast.
     
    I'd start by disconnecting EVERYTHING and reconnect your system slowly, one piece at a time and listen critically after each connection. Monitor LOUD.
    Connect all mains apparatus before looking at Audio/Midi/Digital.
    Power up your Monitors first, then computer, then console/desk if you're using one.
     

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 18:25:58 (permalink)
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    Good post slaratabartfast.
     
    I'd start by disconnecting EVERYTHING and reconnect your system slowly, one piece at a time and listen critically after each connection. Monitor LOUD.
    Connect all mains apparatus before looking at Audio/Midi/Digital.
    Power up your Monitors first, then computer, then console/desk if you're using one.
     




    This...
    Do you have balanced and properly shielded cables for your monitors? What happens when you plug in headphones? 

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 18:37:35 (permalink)
    Any chance there's demo software, or software that hasn't been properly authorized yet, that emits bursts of white noise on occasion? That's a popular technique to prevent people from using demos for the real thing...

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/28 21:46:12 (permalink)
    I had an issue once of this nature. It nagged at me and made me mad.

    Somewhere along the experimentation route to quell it I put a $0.50 three to two prong grounding adapter on one of my power lines. It cleared immediately. Years later that little charmer still works.

    Problem solved in my case for 50 cents.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 00:29:32 (permalink)
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    I had an issue once of this nature. It nagged at me and made me mad.

    Somewhere along the experimentation route to quell it I put a $0.50 three to two prong grounding adapter on one of my power lines. It cleared immediately. Years later that little charmer still works.

    Problem solved in my case for 50 cents.



    If the ground line is "dirty," that can cause issues because those sensitive audio circuits connect to ground eventually. I reviewed an Equi-Tech balanced power unit (not cheap), and there was a measurable change in noise level at a mixer output when it was powered from the balanced power supply. I'm not recommending that as a solution necessarily, just confirming what lawajava points out about grounding issues causing potential problems, and that filtering can make a difference.
     
    However, I think this kind of noise would tend to be more constant as opposed to the "bursts" you describe. As mentioned in a previous post, it could also be RF from a cell phone, iPad, etc.
     
    Lifting the ground as lawajava suggests may provide a fix, HOWEVER that ground wire is there to protect you. If there are AC problems, fix them at the source.
     
    Finally, I've had better luck eliminating ground loops by adding an extra ground rather than removing a ground. For example there's a grounding screw on the back of the Roland Octa-Capture...when I connected that to the metal screw that affixes the plastic plate to an outlet (that screw connects to ground), various noises, hums, and whines went away instantly. That's because it now had a low-resistance path to ground as opposed to traveling across various audio cable grounds. Remember Ohm's Law: a voltage drop can occur across a resistance...and there's your signal.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 06:27:22 (permalink)
    Wow! First off, many thanks to all who have contributed, really appreciated.
     
    To clear up a few suggestions. It's not residual demo white noise, it's too low level for that although the noise does have a "white noise" sound to it.
    The noise bursts are "regular" i.e.about 2 seconds apart and each lasts for about 500mS which would seem to indicate that they are being "clocked" somehow - the PC perhaps?
    The noise is recorded if I open a clean track with no other audio - the noise is too low to be heard on a track with audio on it unless there is a silent period in the track.
    I can also hear noise while moving the mouse - only while it is moving.
    To try and minimise potential external sources, only the A/D is connected to the DAW and I am monitoring the noise directly on the headphone output of the Sapphire.
     
    All the points about earth/ground  loops are noted and I have a made up a socket box with a switch to remove the power earth connections individually. All my outboard expanders are powered on of course so maybe I need to remove the power from them all.
     
    Another point I had overlooked is that the DAW and monitor run from a UPS, and obviously I need to remove that from the equation as well.
     
    I do have a scope to look at the noise waveform. I can also record a few seconds of the noise, but not quite sure how to put that into the forum???
     
    Again many many thanks to you all for your suggestions. Over the holiday period I will have a bit more "exclusive" time to investigate and report back.
    Happy new year to you all too!!
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 07:24:19 (permalink)
    Has a di box been suggested yet? It might help with hums or other noise. Here is some hopefully helpful info.
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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 09:37:25 (permalink)
    You are connected to the UPS via USB for clean shutdown when the battery runs out..?

    Hmmm

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 10:29:56 (permalink)
    Not a solution, but potential work around in the interim. Is the noise level low enough to be gated out of the signal effectively?

    Have you checked background processes running on the machine? Something that cyclical could be in the box, or possibly the UPS... Sounds similar to a capacitor charging and then bleeding off, so the cycle could relate to voltage as well as a clock.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 10:33:28 (permalink)
    If you take the computer out of the equation, do you still hear the noise?

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 17:34:21 (permalink)
    A few more possible sources of "clocked" noise -

    Hard drive motors.
    PC cooling fan motors.
    Coils in the power supply or on the motherboard or graphics card.
    EMI emmissions from LCD screens (not as bad as the old cathode ray tube monitors though).

    I've also found the situation where there was something transmitting radio interference that was picked up by guitars as a whine whenever the audio interface was opened for recording by Windows/Sonar/Audition/anything. Whether the interface used was USB or PCI made no difference, nor did whether the driver was ASIO, WDM or WASAPI. The whine changed in pitch and volume depending on the sample rate and buffer settings. Never did get to the bottom of that, the only solution was to move the PC further away from guitars.

    It is also possible to get an earth loop between a USB device and the PC, though if that happens it's usually a steady hum or whine.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 17:49:48 (permalink)
    Use DPCLatency checker and Latmon Latency monitor.
    If there is a process that is causing it, you should be able to get an idea via those programs, it may well show up as spikes in the DPC prog.

    Other than that there could be a dodgy component on your motherboard or in the psu.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 19:13:29 (permalink)
    Corrected:::: I figger this does happen with Sonar not open. Right?  You can just listen and hear it regularly?
     
    If so, sounds like an input into the system.
     
    Does it happen without the audio interface connected and Sonar closed?
     
    Test: enable the on-board audio device, connect to speakers. Can you hear it?
     
    Got windows sounds disabled?
     
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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/29 20:45:45 (permalink)
    FWIW, At one point it was useful for me to create a new user profile. My old user profile ended up slightly corrupted with the DRM stuff. IDK what did it, by the guy from Syntorial.com suggested it as a fix and it did the trick for me. 
     
    I'm meaning at the windows level, I created a new login account.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/30 00:41:20 (permalink)
    People have reported "noise" on mouse movements or screen redraws that have turned out to be digital artifact due to dropouts as these operations taxed the system, but that would not seem to be plausible if the noise is happening on recording an empty input to a blank project. I assume you are not using a wireless mouse, but it might be worth trying to use a PS2 connected mouse if your motherboard has a socket for one or a USB mouse if you are using PS2 or serial (ancient) connection.
     
    The clocking symptom might indicate something in the computer, but two seconds is an eternity in computer time. One thing that springs to mind is an intermittently illuminated neon sign in the area, or a traffic signal. These need not be in close proximity to or connected to the wiring to your computer to cause a problem as they can act as a broadcast source. Unfortunately a lot of intermittent sources of interference do not do anything as noticeable as flashing a light, but it is worth looking around for a device that might be showing this temporal pattern.
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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/30 01:26:12 (permalink)
    Long shot but if I have an input channel unmuted which has phantom power going through it, I get pretty weird noises that end up on my recording. Might be worth checking all your unused inputs are muted?

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/30 13:45:51 (permalink)
    Hello. I'm having the same problem since I had to replace temporarily my Kronos with a Numa piano. I think that  it's related to the electrical shielding. When I use my wireless trackball upon the Numa I can hear the noise. If I mute the KYB audio channel the noise disappears. Don't know if can help...
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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/30 14:16:14 (permalink)
    I just wanted to add encouragement or a sanity check to this discussion.

    I've dealt with noise from various contributing sources over the years. There were times that I thought I couldn't lick a particular issue and settled, accepting that as the fate of my setup. But through persistence I did eliminate them all.

    I think it's helpful to know that "normal" for a recording setup can and should mean no noise at all. No hum. Just no sound unless you touch an instrument or play back something.

    It can seem acceptable to live with a hum or other noise, but it's a helpful sanity/reality check to hear from others that zero noise is possible and should be normal if you can get there.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/30 14:37:56 (permalink)
    Interesting.....I take it that your PC is a tower???? If so....try disconnecting CD drive power....any slave drives.....less likely a floppy drive
     
    Are there any Cell phone repeater towers in close proximity to your location....
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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/31 00:57:47 (permalink)
    I've heard this with a wireless mouse (as mentioned above).  I only use a corded mouse now.

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/31 10:21:34 (permalink)
    Do you live in an apartment that may have something on the other side of the wall that you don't know about?

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/31 14:06:49 (permalink)
     
    I wouldn't go disconnecting ground wires on electrical equipment, ie the third prong of the mains AC supply, especially in the UK with your 240VAC lines.  The ground is there for a reason and disabling it puts your safety and the safety of others at risk.
     
    I agree with what Bristol Jonesey suggests.  Does you computer have onboard sound ?  If so, I'd start with just Windows sounds, onboard sound and your monitors.  If your monitors are powered, try them on their own completely disconnected from everything else.
     
     

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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/31 14:45:54 (permalink)
    Yeah - you have to start wading through the path and try to isolate its origins.  Ungrounded kills.
     
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    Re: Low level noise is driving me mad ...what the hell is causing it? 2014/12/31 15:55:56 (permalink)
    As described this is repetitive and consistent.
    Has to be a timed source.
    Some control signal, ping, testing for a condition.
    (Capacitor charging/discharging?)
    Network adapter checking for connection
    software updates,....
     
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    Had an issue a couple of years ago with a static sorta noise. Did all the stuff I could to isolate. Finally called the power company. First thing the dude did was pull out his very big screw driver, open the mains box and tighten the biggest screws, and walla.
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