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2015/07/30 14:36:13
Rob Ainscough
I wouldn't recommend disabling driver signatures ... other than overclocking one's CPU as #1 source for BSOD, drivers are the #2 source of BSOD.
 
It would be wise to wait for official support for Windows 10 from the manufacturer.  
 
Just curious, what's in Windows 10 that is a must have now?  Professionally, I develop software for Windows 10, 8, 7 so I use the various flavors for testing, but from a programmers perspective I can't say I see anything in Windows 10 that would make my software any better (for end users or myself).  On the performance front there are marginal improvements that may show up as a slight bump in performance testing software, but in real world usage they wouldn't make any difference for other applications (like Sonar, games - except DX12 games, Video - Adobe suite, animation - Cinema4D, etc.).
 
Other than Windows 10 being "different" what's actually there that folks MUST have now ... or is it just because it is different?
 
Anyway, I definitely do NOT encourage disabling of driver signatures as that's a common place for hackers to exploit because driver signatures provide considerable system wide access to any and all resources.
 
Cheers, Rob.
2015/07/30 17:12:30
MackTheKnight
Hi Rob,
 
You will notice that I did caution folks in doing this, especially if they're using a DAW to make a living.
I think you'll find various reasons for wanting to move to windows 10.  Some of us just like to stay on the bleeding edge, consequences be damned...
 
In my case, I'm an IT Analyst supporting over 900 systems.  I consider it a personal mission to keep my skills current.  When a new OS releases, I jump on it as soon as a beta is available.  I've been testing Win 10 on a surface tablet, since the first beta became available.  I didn't move my main workstation over until last night, as I wasn't sure if I could get the VS100 working, but based on my experience with the beta I decided to take the risk and work through any problems that may come up.  Modifying the ini file and temporarily disabling driver signing is pretty low risk, imho - as long as you know what you're getting yourself into and are comfortable with the possibility of screwing something up if you don't know what you're doing.
 
That said - I'll say again - I wouldn't recommend anybody do this, if they depend on their DAW to make a living or can't live with any potential down-time.  Myself - I just do music on the side, as one of a few different hobbies, so the risk for me was minimal.  I just wanted to share my experience with others, that may want to do the same. 
 
As for Windows 10, it has a lot of new features that I think will be appealing to many.  It is after-all the last full OS Microsoft will likely ever release as it seems they are moving more the direction of android and mac os, with frequent incremental updates.  Also, if you're into gaming and want to stay on the bleeding edge, there is DX12 support in Win10, but no other OS.  Even if nothing supports it yet, some of us like to get an early jump on things.
 
I think those of us that are early adopters, are aware of the risks.
 
-Mack
2015/07/30 17:39:56
davidmusic53
Ok It didn't work for VS-700C states "the hash for the file is not present in the specified catalog file" Not sure what that means
2015/07/30 17:48:18
MackTheKnight
That sounds like you didn't disable the file signature checking...
 
Follow the link John T posted, as the steps in Win 8 are quite similar to Win 10.
 
2015/07/30 17:51:38
davidmusic53
Mack The Knight how do you disable the signature checking?
2015/07/30 17:58:10
MackTheKnight
Click the start button and search for "Advanced Startup Options"
 
In the box that pops up under "Advanced startup" click "restart now"
 
You'll get another prompt before reboot.  Read the options carefully.  One of them is related to signature checking.  On the reboot you'll get a prompt of 1 - 9 options I believe.  Again read them carefully.  I believe it's option 7 to temporarily disable signature checking.
 
Once you boot up, install the drivers per normal then plug in your interface when prompted.
2015/07/30 18:24:45
dustriplin
.... tried the hack folks ... just couldn't get the 700 drivers to work, though I'm sure I didn't run through all the permutations I needed to to ferret out the gremlins (I did try quite a few after awhile)... enough fun for me for one day ...got to get some stuff recorded so back to Windows 8 for awhile ... Windows 10 really is a nice OS for the other things I do... hope Roland get's their installer fixed.
Just a few things I tried..
I have the full 700 studio so I worked with the 1089.inf ... 
I first tried working with the drivers that were already installed... Windows doesn't like you doing that....
I then hacked the drivers in the installation folder and reinstalled the drivers... the hack to the .inf showed up nice in the system folder, but the 700 still couldn't find the drivers..
Was always careful to disable the signature checking... MacktheKnife's description is perfect for doing this..
 
Maybe just working with drivers for the 700C or 700R separately would help simplify the  debugging process ... eager to see how it goes with davidmusic53 on this..
 
Will monitor .... at this point, I'm probably going to need a very specific step-by-step procedure to follow
 
 
2015/07/30 18:29:36
MackTheKnight
Good try, Dustriplin. 
 
I don't have a VS-700 myself, so I'm sorry I can't help with specifics related to that unit.  Hopefully someone else can figure it out, or Roland is prompt with official drivers.  (fingers crossed)
2015/07/31 01:41:14
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
I will definitely wait until there is an official driver ...
 
Anyway, it will be a while until Roland releases new official drivers. So far there are only win10 drivers for the Quad-Capture, but none for Octa-Capture or Integra, which are both still supported products ...
 
BTW - once/if official VS-700 drivers become available, please start a new thread so that reported experiences with hacked and official drivers are not intermingled !
2015/07/31 02:58:49
Alex B.
FreeFlyBertl
I will definitely wait until there is an official driver ...
 
Anyway, it will be a while until Roland releases new official drivers. So far there are only win10 drivers for the Quad-Capture, but none for Octa-Capture or Integra, which are both still supported products ...
 
BTW - once/if official VS-700 drivers become available, please start a new thread so that reported experiences with hacked and official drivers are not intermingled !




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