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2018/11/17 23:50:04
bapu
I don't think I can give a definite yes or no answer. At any given moment I can drift back and forth between really enjoying without analyzing and nothing but analyzing. That can happen with a 3 minute ditty or a 20 minute EPIC masterpiece (of any genre).
 
Does that make me a bad person? 
2018/11/18 00:35:42
JohnKenn
No. It actually makes a lot of sense.
2018/11/18 01:01:19
jyoung60
kennywtelejazz
...Then we have people that can hear all aspects musical of what they are hearing ...
By that I mean a musician that hears and can identify all the various elements within a musical performance ..
 
 
A, They can hear all elements of the melodic and harmonic structure .... B , they can hear all elements of the rhythmic structure ...
A ='s hearing and being able to identify an A minor when you hear one .
B ='s hearing and being able to jump in and ride the pulse of the tune with the full knowledge of what is taking place rhythmically  in real time .
 
That is the realm I live in ...I can hear most of the various ingredients of each of the performers playing and that is where I like to spend my time ...not so much on the technical production end of things ...



 
^^THIS!
2018/11/18 01:53:42
bjornpdx
I find myself analyzing most music that I listen to, but there are some songs that are just beyond music.

At the risk of sounding unhinged there are some songs to me that are almost like a narcotic. I listen to it and I have this ecstatic moment which is really hard to explain. And it can be just a short refrain or some guitar accompaniment  and it just makes me feel really good.  And then I kick back and have a smoke. Kidding.
For example, the song Shenandoah gives me goose pimples. Major 7 chords make me happy.

It's not just me. There are a couple books around that talk about it, one of which is Music, The Brain, And Ecstasy by Oliver Sacks.





2018/11/18 01:57:00
JohnKenn
Minor versus major...
Not preaching to the choir here because maybe all of you know this way better than me. A neat thought about major and minor for those who haven't considered this, and my apologies for getting the thread off course... but since you done brought it up...
 
Most of us Yankees were imprinted since birth on the 12 tone scale. That's what is acceptable to our nervous system. Some other cultures are imprinted on a 24 tone scale between the octave and can hear or tolerate finer division of sounds that are sweet. Us westerners see them as out of tune noise.
Some other cultures imprinted on a 5 or 6 tone octave division in times more past. The adult would listen to a minor scale and ask what the hell you are doing. Can't even tune your instrument.
 
Musical perception of the scales seems to be a mix of our genetic capacity and what we were subjected to before we lost original fluidity. Carved in stone for the most part somewhere early in the life experience.
 
Beat frequency plays a big part in our genetic limitation. Means that if two or more notes are combined the interference creates a "beat frequency". Like a flanging notch or something like that.
If on an almost subliminal level, if we can detect the beat frequency interference, then the sound is more dark and atonal. Something not right. Brain is focusing on the fundamental notes but also registering the more buried beat frequency, telling us how comfortable we should be with the combination.
 
Play a fifth interval, a fourth interval and all is good. Get down to a minor third and thing start to send up flags. Closer the interval, slower the beat frequency and we get more guarded. Play a second or half tone together and it has crossed our genetic cultural limit to accept. We hear dissonance. Not because of the fundamentals, but the beat frequency.
 
Cool thing about this is that if you play a chord with 5th spacing, but don't include the third or minor third, the mind of the observer will fill in as per his/her state of mind. If happy and upbeat, the individual will by socialization add a major third to the tonic and hear happy sounds. Someone bummed out or in a bad mood may listen to the same 1-5 wav and mentally insert a minor third from the tonic and hear a sad minor. If you could put the brains of the happy and sad guy together, there would be ugly clash.
 
Used to rely on this with a guitar. Example an E chord without major or minor sex.
 
Low E open.
A string second fret
D string second fret
G string fourth fret
B and E open.
 
Pure androgeny open to the mind to interpret. Keyboard bangers can do chords with just firsts and fifths and get the same mirage.
 
Hey Skald, sorry to take this excellent topic off course.
 
John
 
 
 
 
 
 
2018/11/18 08:04:20
Wibbles
kennywtelejazz
As long as I have my freedom I don't have to live in the world of Yes or No .
 
Kenny



Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
2018/11/18 08:32:19
kennywtelejazz

 
Kenny
2018/11/21 02:23:21
bitman
No.
2018/11/21 14:20:53
ØSkald
bitman
No.


Do you consider it a problem?
 
For me, i struggle listening to music that is not that good. Like a friend singing, and its not good. But i have to, because i am a friend. And should. My mother too. She dont sing good. But she loves to sing.
 
I find it harder and harder.
2018/11/22 17:42:52
michael diemer
I do both simultaneously. 
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