I'm gonna post a drunk Youtube video comlaining about the not yet arrived free trial version.

Sheanes
I'm gonna post a drunk Youtube video comlaining about the not yet arrived free trial version.

Eggshellint ideal Sheanes.

Brian Walton

Sanderxpander
Well I guess I'm a musician and not a market analyst for a reason but doing it this way feels like a recipe for failure to me. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think other new(-ish) players on the market arrived with some unique features to distinguish them from the competition (Reaper, Bitwig, StudioOne). They each have a small but loyal following.

Bluntly, to me it doesn't feel like Sonar can really turn heads if you leave out things like ARA and AD. I've seen this a lot first hand when I go to other studios where everyone uses PT (big budget recording), Logic (fellow musicians/producers) or FL (the hip hop/EDM crowd). The only thing that impresses them is Melodyne and the quality of AD. For the rest it's "it looks crappy and I can already do that in Logic/FL/PT".

That said, in a way I hope it is successful because for better or worse somehow Mac gets a lot more respect amongst musicians. I would maybe feel less defensive when I say I use Sonar.

They can't give away AD or Melodyne for free users.  They did not develop those products and they have to pay the companies that developed them to include them in the package.  
 
One thing I wouldn't take advise on from a typical musician is what computer to buy.  I know a lot of musicians, and the minority also really know about recording and computers.  

I understand they can't give them away for free, I just think they will have a hard time convincing people to switch to Sonar without them.

I don't really understand what the musician/computer advice has to do with anything. Are you implying I don't know anything about computers or something? Even if that were true, what does that have to do with anything?

Sanderxpander
I understand they can't give them away for free, I just think they will have a hard time convincing people to switch to Sonar without them.

I guess I wasn't clear, so let me emphasize that an alpha version is not designed to convince people to switch to SONAR. 

Ok thanks. I do look forward to seeing how this all works out.

(quote) For the rest it's "it looks crappy and I can already do that in Logic/FL/PT". 
 
Logic Pro X is Mac-only daw, which on one hand may seem as advantage, but with Apple spiraling into sh!t recently (no good workstation since release of rubbish bin in 2013, laptops lacking any connectivity etc. etc.) people may be starting to seek for Windows alternatives (although Microsoft is spiraling equally into **** since launch of Windows 10) and other multiplatform DAW solutions for best interoperability,
 
ProTools are ancient and actually suck (in terms of UI, reliability, workflow efficiency, hardware support), yet plenty of people learned to use them and so obviously use them and will not bother learning anything else unless they'll have serious reason to do so, sorry to say that, but that is the truth,
 
FL Studio is Windows-only music creation software, although it's possible to run it via crossover wrapper, so it's kinda defeating purpose to use it "together" with high-end daw, native OS(X) version is in works, but it's nowhere polished enough to be used instead of the wrapped Windows version

Sonar has been Windows-only daw for long time, which helped finetune things, but hopefully Cakewalk learned multiplatform software solutions are the future, therefore it really is high time to come up with OS(X) version of Sonar, indeed uneasy to make the decision of public release as buggy unfinished product may do more harm than good at first impression
 
Reaper and Bitwig are both multiplatform softwares, which gives them serious advantage, while on the other hand gives devs more headaches to deal with, especially when you consider there isn't just one windows, one os(x), one linux, but more than a few variants of each, not exactly same...
 
 
me, I'm really looking forward to get my hands on Sonar for Mac, I've set up (El Capitan) hackintosh aside on my Windows 7 PC, so I can do exact direct comparisons, and I'm really curious how much the OS will make difference when using somewhat same daw :)
 

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Brian Walton

Sanderxpander
Well I guess I'm a musician and not a market analyst for a reason but doing it this way feels like a recipe for failure to me. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think other new(-ish) players on the market arrived with some unique features to distinguish them from the competition (Reaper, Bitwig, StudioOne). They each have a small but loyal following.

Bluntly, to me it doesn't feel like Sonar can really turn heads if you leave out things like ARA and AD. I've seen this a lot first hand when I go to other studios where everyone uses PT (big budget recording), Logic (fellow musicians/producers) or FL (the hip hop/EDM crowd). The only thing that impresses them is Melodyne and the quality of AD. For the rest it's "it looks crappy and I can already do that in Logic/FL/PT".

That said, in a way I hope it is successful because for better or worse somehow Mac gets a lot more respect amongst musicians. I would maybe feel less defensive when I say I use Sonar.

They can't give away AD or Melodyne for free users.  They did not develop those products and they have to pay the companies that developed them to include them in the package.  
 
One thing I wouldn't take advise on from a typical musician is what computer to buy.  I know a lot of musicians, and the minority also really know about recording and computers.  

I understand they can't give them away for free, I just think they will have a hard time convincing people to switch to Sonar without them.

I don't really understand what the musician/computer advice has to do with anything. Are you implying I don't know anything about computers or something? Even if that were true, what does that have to do with anything?

It isn't always about switching, new customers are a major consideration.  And even if Logic ran on Windows, I personally prefer Sonar.  
 
Regarding my Musicians and Computer comment, you said " for better or worse somehow Mac gets a lot more respect amongst musicians"  Thus you are making a statement about Musicians and their view + preferences as it relates to computers.  I'm suggesting your average musician isn't very knowledgeable at all about such things.  
 
One could say the same thing about people like myself that also do video production or work with photos at a higher than average level.  Macs are "respected" in these areas yet they have less processing power, graphic, memory capabilities, and are less configurable using the exact same Adobe programs....and cost more.  

Right, sorry I follow you now and we are in complete agreement, which is why I use a home built desktop and a Clevo laptop with Sonar and watch my friends muddle along with their infallible Macs (until they ask me to help out because their screen broke or their OS upgrade killed their favorite software). However, it seems "we" don't get any points for being right. Virtually every musician I know is using Mac, in my view BECAUSE every musician is using Mac. It's gotten to the point where you're not really taken seriously as a musician if you're on PC.

"It's gotten to the point where you're not really taken seriously as a musician if you're on PC."
 
what's even more disturbing is that nowadays you're not really taken seriously as a musician if you're playing real instrument :P :D

You dont need osx . Sonar runs on windows