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2016/10/01 12:36:21
ØSkald
Now I'm really pissed. Cakewalk crashed an a days work is gone. The audio files is nowhere to be found. What the hell? Do cakewalk wipe out the days work while crashing? Is that a new future?
2016/10/01 12:57:32
CJaysMusic
Your saved projects/work and Cakewalk are 2 different things. To get your 'days work" just go into the folder location to where you saved it during your "days work".
 
A Sonar crash will never delete anything from your saved Cakewalk audio folder 
2016/10/01 12:57:39
lawajava
Regardless of whether Sonar or any other application on my computer crashed, I always have alternate versions saved as I progress through working on something.  If I had a crash on a song I was working on I'd probably never lose more than 30 mins max worth of effort because I use Save As, and have a ver 1a, ver1b, ver1c of the song as I progress through updates to the piece.
 
This is much more for the ability to step back in the evolution of the song than anything else.  If I happened to have taken a wrong turn, I can always go back to some point in time of the development of the piece and start fresh from the fork in the road where I took a wrong turn.
 
I suggest that anyone consider having revision saves as they progress.  It's just practical.
2016/10/01 12:59:26
mettelus
Ouch, sorry to hear that. Did you create the project as a new file with no name? Also, did you have the wav files open in another editor at the time?
 
A quick check for things.... in Windows Explorer, search drives for "*.wav" and sort the list by date created (click the top of the column until you see a triangle apex down). SONAR writes audio directly to disk, so the wav files should be there (in the Global Audio folder if no project name was made on creation). You can try similarly with "*.cwp" (MIDI data and FX would be saved in the cwp file).
 
FWIW, it has been noted that the number of undos kept in undo history will create project overhead, so saving a project often is recommended. Also, you need to actually have an undo in that history to limit the number of undos that SONAR remembers. After making a change to a project, go to "Edit->History..." and change that number at the bottom to something reasonable (mine is set to 10). Having SONAR remember 120 undos (IIRC that is the default), is just asking for trouble. Saving frequently will reset this history, and manually entering a reasonable number will prevent RAM usage on undos (that setting is global, so doing it once will carry forward into all projects, but again the history is only accessible if a change has been made to a project (and can close the project without saving afterwards)).
2016/10/01 13:21:03
ØSkald
mettelus
Ouch, sorry to hear that. Did you create the project as a new file with no name? Also, did you have the wav files open in another editor at the time?
 
A quick check for things.... in Windows Explorer, search drives for "*.wav" and sort the list by date created (click the top of the column until you see a triangle apex down). SONAR writes audio directly to disk, so the wav files should be there (in the Global Audio folder if no project name was made on creation). You can try similarly with "*.cwp" (MIDI data and FX would be saved in the cwp file).
 
FWIW, it has been noted that the number of undos kept in undo history will create project overhead, so saving a project often is recommended. Also, you need to actually have an undo in that history to limit the number of undos that SONAR remembers. After making a change to a project, go to "Edit->History..." and change that number at the bottom to something reasonable (mine is set to 10). Having SONAR remember 120 undos (IIRC that is the default), is just asking for trouble. Saving frequently will reset this history, and manually entering a reasonable number will prevent RAM usage on undos (that setting is global, so doing it once will carry forward into all projects, but again the history is only accessible if a change has been made to a project (and can close the project without saving afterwards)).


This is a project I've been working on for some time. All older wav files are in the audio folder. Just the ones i recorded today is gone. Its really frustrating. recording guitar lead is hard, and starting all over makes me pissed off.
2016/10/01 14:21:32
robert_e_bone
For whatever the worth, I cannot recall ever seeing where audio that had been closed/written to hard drive was lost due to a Sonar crash.
 
1) Do you get a message about missing audio?
 
2) Are there any placeholder clips in the tracks?
 
3) Could they be down in take lanes?
 
4) Were they present prior to crash, and had they played back after their initial recording?
 
 
ANYTIME I finish recording an audio clip, or do any setup task or significant edits, I ALWAYS save the project.  I never have to go back as a result.  I only offer this as a suggestion for you moving forward.
 
(additionally, for any existing projects, prior to working on one, I will always save off a copy to another folder, with the Copy All Audio checked, and the location is always to a physically different drive, just in case the drive fails).
 
VERY sorry for the aggravation - hopefully the audio is just hiding on you somewhere.
 
Bob Bone
 
2016/10/01 14:47:19
chuckebaby
I cant say I've seen this... unless I refused to save at all during the day.
I save once or twice every 15 minutes or so.
2016/10/01 14:59:18
Bristol_Jonesey
Audio files will be written to your hard drive as soon as you stop the transport whilst recording
 
I would be surprised if they weren't somewhere on your system somewhere. 
 
2016/10/01 15:20:51
ØSkald
I will look further when i come back home tonight. All the takes were bounced to implement Melodyne edit. So there should be several versions of each take i did go for. I really hope I dont have to record all over again.
 
What happened is that when sonar crashed i got this UAC message that Sonar had crashed, and then a message to close sonar. I really dont want to reproduce it to take screen shots, lol.
 
I'm also better now. i dont need to kill anyone anymore.
2016/10/01 15:58:36
stevesweat
You didn't work all day without saving did you?  I've been guilty of not saving enough and losing a few hours of work...
 
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