it came with Sonar 3 for sure and maybe previous sonar versions.....try to output your midi tracks to the cakewalk tts ...was origianlly called roland tts and is an update to the edirol vsc
 
you may need to transpose some tracks to get it to come out right.

papa2005

Raberje


Does anyone know what version of Sonar/Cakewalk the Edirol VSC Synth is on?  I have a file of a song i wrote many years ago and since I now use Producer 8.5 I can't play my song any suggestions?

 
I'm running the risk of being misinterpreted as being condescending or unfairly critical (which I am not intending) but this is a prime example of why I always bounce MIDI tracks to audio and export them as Broadcast wav files for ANY project that I remotely consider as worth saving for future use. Save the files to CD/DVD or a separate HD (depending on their size). Both mediums are extremely inexpensive.

I think that's a good point because I had some older projects that I had to fix up when I moved to Windows 7 and Sonar 8.5 because some of the older effects were no longer installed or didn't work anymore.

Papa's post was very fair.  Projects really can't be left in a MIDI-only state.  I know people manage to make decent mixes without ever rendering their soft synths to audio tracks, but I really don't know how they succeed. 

My projects always end up with archived MIDI tracks, and audio tracks for each MIDI track - and those are the ones I've mixed for the final 2-track master.  The whole lot gets archived on disc.

MIDI can be so ephemeral, with synths maybe no longer functioning or even in existence.  You want to have good, dry audio tracks of all that work to archive, maybe work with again, without relying on starting from scratch again, trying to wrangle together your synths etc.

rbowser

I kind of do what RBowser does and what papa mentioned-Mainly because I am all midi except accoustic and electric  guitars and vocals. After I bounce to audio, I mute the midi tracks and mix the audio. But I "always save my midi files because they are me, not commercial midis. I was able to go and replace most of my bass tracks with the Scarbee Pree and Jay Basses after I bought them a few weeks ago. I know I could have played them again (on my midi controller, but saving the midi files lets me go back and just replace the bass softsynth, but my performance is still there.
Works great for me. I work hard on my midi files they awlays get saved. I also save the mixed audio of course.
 

rbowser


Papa's post was very fair.  Projects really can't be left in a MIDI-only state.  I know people manage to make decent mixes without ever rendering their soft synths to audio tracks, but I really don't know how they succeed. 

My projects always end up with archived MIDI tracks, and audio tracks for each MIDI track - and those are the ones I've mixed for the final 2-track master.  The whole lot gets archived on disc.

MIDI can be so ephemeral, with synths maybe no longer functioning or even in existence.  You want to have good, dry audio tracks of all that work to archive, maybe work with again, without relying on starting from scratch again, trying to wrangle together your synths etc.

rbowser

Curious-At the risk of sounding foolish-The musical, the music is all you? That's really fabulous-Congrats!!!!!
EDIT: I just went back and read the Press release(I went to the other link (video) before. That is "Fabulous for sure!

stratman70


I kind of do what RBrowser does and what papa mentioned-Mainly because I am all midi except accoustic and electric  guitars and vocals. After I bounce to audio, I mute the midi tracks and mix the audio. But I "always save my midi files because they are me, not commercial midis. I was able to go and replace most of my bass tracks with the Scarbee Pree and Jay Basses after I bought them a few weeks ago. I know I could have played them again (on my midi controller, but saving the midi files lets me go back and just replace the bass softsynth, but my performance is still there.
Works great for me. I work hard on my midi files they awlays get saved. I also save the mixed audio of course.
 

It's a great stratagem, Stratman.  It's great to be able to replace previously recorded tracks by running a MIDI track through a new soft synth and upping the quality of what we had before.  There's always some adaptation to me made in the MIDI data when played through a new instrument - attack envelopes may be different, so timing may need to be shifted, response to velocity may be different and so also needs to be adjusted, etc.  But what you're saying is right on, that we need to safely archive our MIDI tracks along with the audio even if it ends up being re-done.

What we don't want is a "naked" MIDI file which needs to be completely built up again.  If for some reason we insist on only keeping the MIDI, it at least should be as a Cakewalk file and not a standard MIDI 1 file. 

rbowser

rbowser

stratman70


I kind of do what RBrowser does and what papa mentioned-Mainly because I am all midi except accoustic and electric  guitars and vocals. After I bounce to audio, I mute the midi tracks and mix the audio. But I "always save my midi files because they are me, not commercial midis. I was able to go and replace most of my bass tracks with the Scarbee Pree and Jay Basses after I bought them a few weeks ago. I know I could have played them again (on my midi controller, but saving the midi files lets me go back and just replace the bass softsynth, but my performance is still there.
Works great for me. I work hard on my midi files they awlays get saved. I also save the mixed audio of course.

It's a great stratagem, Stratman.  It's great to be able to replace previously recorded tracks by running a MIDI track through a new soft synth and upping the quality of what we had before.  There's always some adaptation to me made in the MIDI data when played through a new instrument - attack envelopes may be different, so timing may need to be shifted, response to velocity may be different and so also needs to be adjusted, etc.  But what you're saying is right on, that we need to safely archive our MIDI tracks along with the audio even if it ends up being re-done.

What we don't want is a "naked" MIDI file which needs to be completely built up again.  If for some reason we insist on only keeping the MIDI, it at least should be as a Cakewalk file and not a standard MIDI 1 file. 

rbowser

RB-You are correct-That's the way I save them. I should have been clearer. And I did have to fool with the velocity and a few other things when I replaced the bass with the Scarbees. But it was well worth it.

If I'm not mistaken, I have VSC on my computer in the studio. I am at work right now so I can't see if it's Edirol or not.

 I built my new PC ( 3yrs ago!) and loaded S7 on it (or was it 6?). Went back and loaded just the fx from PA 9 and then S5 & S6. They are all still working on my PC. I did this for my older projects.

stratman70



Curious-At the risk of sounding foolish-The musical, the music is all you? That's really fabulous-Congrats!!!!!
EDIT: I just went back and read the Press release(I went to the other link (video) before. That is "Fabulous for sure!

Hey, Mon - just now seeing your message about the info in my signature.  Thanks for taking a look --Yeah, as you see now from the press release, the show opening in Russia features music by me.  It's my dramatic stage musical adaptation of the horror novel, "The Picture of Dorian Gray."  There's quite a story behind everything that's happened, but in a nutshell - Michael Butler, producer of the original "HAIR" on Broadway saw the amateur premiere of my show, signed me up, and then arranged for this professional premiere in Moscow.  It's been a big Show Biz roller coaster of a ride for a couple of years now.  I'm stoked that the Russian version if finally opening.

Thanks!

rbowser

the only version of release in know of, if your question wasn't answered, was music creator 3.
 
now how to get it edirol VSC to  work with sonar platinum, it does work on all other versions, windows 10 included,  if you play with the compatability, but havnt bridged it to sonar platinum yet. sucks, cause, seeming like you, I like the originals to stay that way. dreading the idea of remapping the synths. I WANT IT THE WAY IT WAS...