2016/09/26 15:55:41
jsg
Bristol_Jonesey
Or......
 
Change the timebase to 20/4
 
Your 5 beat part has a note on every fourth measure
Your 4 beat part has a note on every fifth measure




It's not possible to change the timebase to 20/4.  
See Preferences/Project/Clock
 
JG
http://www.jerrygerber.com
 
2016/09/26 16:10:56
Base 57
It's not possible to change the timebase to 20/4.  
See Preferences/Project/Clock
 
I think he meant the time signature (meter). While 20/4 time may make little sense from a theory standpoint, SONAR will let you do it.
2016/09/26 16:16:26
Base 57
   I like JoseC's solution. That is a good tip.
2016/09/26 16:25:41
jsg
Base 57
It's not possible to change the timebase to 20/4.  
See Preferences/Project/Clock
 
I think he meant the time signature (meter). While 20/4 time may make little sense from a theory standpoint, SONAR will let you do it.



There's nothing theoretically wrong with a meter of 20/4.  But be aware that when a meter of 10/4 is used with a multi-staff instrument, i.e. piano, Sonar will crash, at least earlier versions did.  Not sure whether it's been repaired in the latest release.
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 
2016/09/26 16:36:41
Base 57
"There's nothing theoretically wrong with a meter of 20/4."
 
   You are correct sir. I misspoke (typed). I meant that I don't believe the answer for the OP is a 20/4 meter.
2016/09/26 17:04:04
Bristol_Jonesey
It wouldn't work anyway because you'd need s ridiculously high tempo to get it playing at even a moderate speed.
 
Sorry lads, I was only semi-serious. Humour doesn't translate well on a keyboard
2016/09/26 17:49:41
Jimbo 88
You can also achieve this by using the "Step Record" function.
 
On the bottom right hand corner of the Record button (in the transport) there is a little triangle.  Click on just that triangle and you will get the option for "Step Record".  Now your record button will be in step mode.  It will say "Step" on the top.  Open that up, choose "Whole Note" , click tuplet and make that 5.
 
That way you don't need math. 
2016/09/26 18:08:07
brundlefly
jsg
brundlefly
Hammerhole
 Closer to what I wanted was 1920 divided by 5, that gives me 5 evenly spaced notes (snap points) per measure.



At the default 960PPQ, there are 3840 ticks in a 4/4 measure. And snap values in ticks are always referenced to 960PPQ, regardless of the Clock setting; this is a bug I noticed recently. I'm not sure how far back it goes, but to prevent confusion, I recommend leaving the Clock at 960. SONAR always records MIDI event times with 960PPQ resolution internally, anyway.
 
Bottom line: The correct snap value for 5 notes per 4/4 measure is 3840/5 =768 ticks.
 



Bottom line only for a timebase of 960.  I've used 480 for over twenty years because it gives more than enough resolution, down to the 128th note. 




Hey Jerry, as I said, there's a bug that snap intervals in ticks are always referenced to 960PPQ, regardless of the Clock setting. Check it out.
 
 
2016/09/26 18:28:33
jsg
brundlefly
jsg
brundlefly
Hammerhole
 Closer to what I wanted was 1920 divided by 5, that gives me 5 evenly spaced notes (snap points) per measure.



At the default 960PPQ, there are 3840 ticks in a 4/4 measure. And snap values in ticks are always referenced to 960PPQ, regardless of the Clock setting; this is a bug I noticed recently. I'm not sure how far back it goes, but to prevent confusion, I recommend leaving the Clock at 960. SONAR always records MIDI event times with 960PPQ resolution internally, anyway.
 
Bottom line: The correct snap value for 5 notes per 4/4 measure is 3840/5 =768 ticks.
 



Bottom line only for a timebase of 960.  I've used 480 for over twenty years because it gives more than enough resolution, down to the 128th note. 




Hey Jerry, as I said, there's a bug that snap intervals in ticks are always referenced to 960PPQ, regardless of the Clock setting. Check it out.
 
 


I believe you, but I only use the notation view for MIDI input and the staff view's snap-function is independent from the global snap-to parameters on the control bar.  Unfortunately, there's also a bug in the staff view's snap function which causes the snap to occur at 1/32 notes, regardless of which note-value you've chosen for input. 
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
2016/09/26 19:42:36
Cookie Jarvis
You're talking about polyrhythms...very hard to learn as a drummer but a blast once you get comfortable with them!
Basically you start counting 4/4 (best way is to slap both knees) in quarter notes. Now continue counting 4 and speed up a bit until you get 5 equal hits in the 4 count. Your best bet is to learn 3 against 2(6/4 time) first, then move on to 5 against 4, 7 against 4, 9 against 4, etc. Once your comfortable with quarter notes try eighth notes, then sixteenth, triplets...
Generally polyrhythms are used in percussion and piano technique but there's no reason why you can't use 2 instruments to the same effect :)
 
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