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2015/03/05 20:31:08
rivers88
I'm using my Novation Impulse keyboard with the latest version of Novation Automap (4.8) and Sonar Platinum, setup per the Sonar setup instructions that comes with Automap.
 
Automap seems to be doing what it is supposed to do - it creates the Automap-wrapped versions of the plugins I select for control, by creating a copy of the plugin with (Automap) after the plugin name.  Sonar picks up the new Automap versions of the plugins during the startup scan, and all the Automap mixer / track functions seem to work fine.
 
However, even though Sonar detected the Automap-wrapped versions of the plugins during the startup scan, none of them actually show up inside of the Cakewalk Plugin Manager.  I get the same results with every plugin I tried, regardless of brand or plugin location.
 
Any suggestion on how to get the Plugin Manager to display Automap-wrapped plugins?
 
Thanks!
 
Randy
2015/03/05 21:44:44
Paul P
 
This google search of these forums brings forth a lot of misery related to Automap.
 
However, Randy, you wrote a couple of years ago that you got it to work with X2 ?
What happened in the meantime ?
 
 
 
 
2015/03/05 22:00:06
noynekker
I have Novation's Automap somewhat working in Sonar. The somewhat refers to the fact that not everything works as advertised. I Should have known better, because all the help videos on their site are for other DAWS, though the documentation said that they recently added support for Sonar.
 
My experience of setting it up in Sonar was that after installing it, I basically have 2 versions of all my plugins. I had to go into Sonar Plugin Manager and rename all the Automap versions so I could know which was which. (I suppose you could turn off the other ones, but I opted to not do that)
 
Do you have Sonar preferences set to automatically scan for new plugins on start-up ?
2015/03/05 22:01:49
rivers88
Yep, the startup scan is detecting new plugins after they're initially enabled in Automap, but -
 
For some reason, the wrapped plugins aren't showing up in the Plugin Manager, even though they're in the same folders as the original plugin.  So, that appears to be the failure point - since they don't show up, there's no wrapped version of the plugins available to load into a Sonar project. Without the wrapped plugins being available, Automap has nothing to work with.
 
My computer is a new build, so I no longer have a way to look at the way they used to work.
Bummer...
 
Thankfully, the Automap mixer functions work fine, but it sure would be nice to be able to use the plugin functionality!!
2015/03/05 22:43:36
noynekker
One further thing I have to do to get it working, after Sonar starts, it comes up with a message of something about Abelton mode . . . so I have to press down the "Plugin" and Midi" PAGE buttons at the same time (it's in the manual) to get plugins working with Automap. Some plugins just don't work unless you program them to work with Automap software, and some work without having to do anything.
2015/03/05 23:09:36
noynekker
Have you tried doing a "reset" and re-scan of you VST plugins in Sonar preferences ?
I definitely have two versions of each plugin after my install, and they show up in plugin manager as duplicates with different filenames.
eg.  c:\program files\cakewalk\vstplugins\Channel Tools\Channel Tools (Automap).dll
       c:\program files\cakewalk\vstplugins\Channel Tools\Channel Tools.dll
2015/03/05 23:12:55
rivers88
Plugins default to "Ableton / MIDI" mode if Automap doesn't detect a loaded Automap-wrapped plugin.
Pushing both buttons simultaneously is how you switch the encoders between "mixer" mode (which works fine) and plugin mode (which works only if an Automap-wrapped VST is loaded) or the generic "MIDI mode" ~
 
The generic mode works, as long as the plugins support basic MIDI learn functionality, but it's not near as extensive as the capabilities you could get with Automap programmability.
 
The strange thing about my setup is Automap actually seems to be doing what it is supposed to do -
It's Sonar just won't display the Automap-wrapped versions of the VST's in the Plugin Manager, even after a rescan, so there's nothing to load for Automap to work with...
2015/03/05 23:29:05
noynekker
One difference in our systems may be that I installed Automap when I had Sonar X3e, then I did the Sonar Platinum upgrade . . . did you install it while on Sonar Platinum version . . . I'm wondering if the install doesn't support that yet ?
Sorry, might be running out of ideas to help, and I do recall the Sonar installation of Automap being a bit tricky.
Do you have "Automap MIDI" selected in preferences Midi devices ?
2015/03/06 08:33:08
rivers88
Everything is setup correctly, and Automap works -
 
The mixer functions - track faders, solo/mute buttons, encoders when in "mixer" mode - all work fine.
While running Sonar, Automap is providing all the correct interactive prompts and editing functions.
Automap creates the wrapped version of the selected plugins, and the Automap version of the plugin exists in the same folder as the original plugin.  Sonar detects these as new plugins during the VST scan.
 
However, the Automap-wrapped plugins DO NOT show up in the Plugin Manager.  So, since the Automap version of the plugin isn't available to be inserted in a project, Automap has no plugins to work with.
 
Right now, it seems that the basic problem is Sonar's Plugin Manager is not recognizing the Automap-wrapped versions of the plugins, even though they are detected as new plugins when first created by Automap.
 
New computer, Windows 8.1, fresh install of Sonar Platinum.
2015/03/10 12:36:19
Zargg
I' m using a Novation Nocturn with both x3e, and Platinum on an old quad core pc with 6 gb RAM and Win7 X64, with no problems. I did do a reset and a rescan on both the Nocturn and Sonar (in that order). Be sure that you have the latest drivers from Novation. Best of luck.
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