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2016/09/15 13:00:15
Unknowen
I will start out with that I’m still not use to mixing in Bass so there’s that..  lol
So when it was pointed out that my low end was gone… not a big deal.
But I went into the projects today and well… the bass is gone… though it looks like it’s there. See pic below.
Tested it to stereo out.. It’s fine. Just not from Buss. All other tracks are bussing right…
Can anyone see anything in the pic or know what this could be?
peace!
 
edit: Don't know what was wrong but replaced the Bass buss.. fixed the problem... BUT then Drum buss fell out. So made a new Drum buss... I don't know if I will have to replace all buss units but it's sounding that way... Also I did not have the ProCh module turned off. and when I turned it on many of the ProCh strips where on. That is a reported problem issues (by me) and I don't know if it's related...  
 
looks right to me...

2016/09/15 15:09:07
brundlefly
How are you using 'Stereo Out' and 'MainOut' buses, and which is the default out for new buses and tracks? Your screenshot shows most buses going to 'MainOut' before hitting 'Stereo Out' which goes to the hardware out, while Bass an Duck buses are going direct to 'Stereo Out'
2016/09/15 15:39:46
Bristol_Jonesey
I think he'll get unpredictable results with that routing.
 
Dave, have another look at all your track & buss outputs.
 
It should go:
 
All Tracks > Busses
 
All Busses > Master Buss
 
Master Buss > Main Outs
 
You can easily verify if something's wrong by muting the Master Buss. If you hear something, it means something, a track or a buss, is being routed directly to your hardware outputs (Main Outs)
 
2016/09/15 15:53:55
Unknowen
brundlefly
How are you using 'Stereo Out' and 'MainOut' buses, and which is the default out for new buses and tracks? Your screenshot shows most buses going to 'MainOut' before hitting 'Stereo Out' which goes to the hardware out, while Bass an Duck buses are going direct to 'Stereo Out'


Hi, I had split them, can't remember why.. I re setup all buss tracks and the problem is still a problem... Or I've lost it... well! lol... I have 9 busses... one is Stereo out.... the rest go to that one... and it's like not all the busses are sending full dbs to the stereo buss. one or two outs of 8 do not seem to be sending full dbs. I took a brake so I have not got that far yet..  
 
Thanks :)
2016/09/15 15:56:35
Unknowen
Bristol_Jonesey
I think he'll get unpredictable results with that routing.
 
Dave, have another look at all your track & buss outputs.
 
It should go:
 
All Tracks > Busses
 
All Busses > Master Buss
 
Master Buss > Main Outs
 
You can easily verify if something's wrong by muting the Master Buss. If you hear something, it means something, a track or a buss, is being routed directly to your hardware outputs (Main Outs)
 


Thanks :) I re set all tracts and busses... also I think the only reason it worked before was that I had the backing track playing direct out so I didn't hear the problem... duh... Ha! 
2016/09/15 17:12:20
Unknowen
ok, this is all I know... 9 busses. =
1 Stereo buss out...
7 busses sound fine
Every buss added after has softer and softer dbs...
On both Win 8.1 and Win10Pro
I don't know why... :(
 
I'm moving on to a work around... for now...
 
Thanks for the help.
2016/09/16 06:56:03
patm300e
I know this sounds strange, but try adding another bus, routing the bass to that new bus and then routing the new bus to Stereo Out.
 
I have had this happen and it seemed to fix it.  It was rare and didn't happen all the time, but it did happen...
 
2016/09/16 06:56:03
patm300e
Duplicate post...Sorry.
2016/09/16 10:04:22
Unknowen
patm300e
I know this sounds strange, but try adding another bus, routing the bass to that new bus and then routing the new bus to Stereo Out.
 
I have had this happen and it seemed to fix it.  It was rare and didn't happen all the time, but it did happen...
 


Yup! sounds cRaZy... lol... but it worked! That's about nutZ...
 
thank you!!!
2016/09/16 10:26:57
thedukewestern
Lets take a step back.
 
When a sound source hits multiple stages, it can get very confusing, and in a daw with as much functionality as SONAR, you can get in over your head fast.
 
SO - lets do a little routing 101
 
Here's a basic routing diagram
 
Snare-----\
Kick--------\
Toms-------->---DRUM BUSS {EQ/COMPRESSION}----------       \
Hat---------/                                                                           
Cyms-----/
 
Bass {EQ/COMPRESSION}------------------------------------------------------           >    MASTER
                                                                                            /
Key 1----\
              >----Key Buss {EQ/COMPRESSION}----------------     /
Key 2----/
                                                                                      /
Guitar 1--\                                                                     /
Guitar 2--->--Guitar BUSS {EQ/COMPRESSION}------------/
Guitar 3--/
 
 
Notice - the only time a buss is used is when we have multiple tracks that need to be grouped together to control their volume, or add compression or eq to them all... such as all drums, or all keys..etc.  Everything should go into the MASTER.  Streamline your routing as much as possible.
 
Tracks - Buss(if necessary) - Master -
 
Looking at your picture, I'm going to ask why there is a main out and a stereo out routed into each other, as well as a bass buss.
 
In Sonar - there are tracks, busses, and then the outputs into your actual soundcard.  In most cases you should only be using 1 stereo pair of these, unless you are setting up multiple monitor mixes, or mixing 5.1
 
Also - I see that there is a solo command on the bass buss - which means you may need to solo enable other channels to get the full volume.  If you have the "dim" solo enable it would decrease the volume.  
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