Isn't it funny how when one wants to threaten to leave the installed base the more often than not site that they are running into the arms of ProStools and not a less "popular" threat like Studio 1 or Reaper. Really kind of discredits their threat as it's just too easy to say today.
 

bitflipper
Surely your friend has other plugins that he can substitute for the Waves stuff? Or is there some specific Waves plugin that you can't do the mix without? Seems the easiest solution for now would be to use alternatives to finish the mix.

I would have to wonder what is wrong with what is included with Pro Tools to think 3rd party plugins are necessary. I think everyone assumes 3rd party plugins are always superior to whats included in DAWs.

kitekrazy1
I think everyone assumes 3rd party plugins are always superior to whats included in DAWs.

Unfortunately, I think you're right.

Anderton

kitekrazy1
I think everyone assumes 3rd party plugins are always superior to whats included in DAWs.

Unfortunately, I think you're right.

The biggest cost in Reason are rack extensions. People have forked over 4 figures in these. Half of the developer sales goes to Props.   Cakewalk's CA-2A is $79 for Reason, $29 on MF for DAWs not named Reason.  I guess some people forgot the it was possible to make quality music before Reason 6.

Actually, I have found that I was incorrect in some of my assertions (As a few of you have tersely pointed out). Waves does let you download older versions but he had a license issue which prevented him from doing that so, Coolbass, you are correct BUT there was an issue that took tech support for Waves over an hour to address. Even though he is back up and running, ProTools is still unstable (This is actually his fault for letting the Windows 10 Anniversary update install without first backing up his system) so the most cost effective thing for him to do is upgrade to a newer version. Since he already owns Protools, upgrading is about 1/2 the cost of buying Cakewalk new.
 

kitekrazy1
I think everyone assumes 3rd party plugins are always superior to whats included in DAWs.

There is a reason for this assumption - It's often true. Both Cakewalk and ProTools have some really nice plugins included and we use those but there are some Waves plugins that just sound better and really enhance the mix or we would not have bought them. Maybe in the hands of someone more skilled than us, they can make it sound as good without them. In our hands, the extra plugins are needed. Believe me, we have tried without them and failed. Since we do not have those skilled hands available, we settle for using the 3rd party plugins. :)
 
Sorry for the misinformation folks. I try not to do that but I was upset and ranting. This has really impacted the deadline for my project and I reacted badly.
 
The fact of the matter is that both DAWs have worked well for us. It would be nice for both of us to be on the same DAW but it's just too much money for the one who changes and what we have works nicely (Until the up-grade debacle of course.)
 
Cheers

kitekrazy1

bitflipper
Surely your friend has other plugins that he can substitute for the Waves stuff? Or is there some specific Waves plugin that you can't do the mix without? Seems the easiest solution for now would be to use alternatives to finish the mix.

I would have to wonder what is wrong with what is included with Pro Tools to think 3rd party plugins are necessary. I think everyone assumes 3rd party plugins are always superior to whats included in DAWs.

The major reason for me to entirely rely on third party is - freedom to run any daw without relearning the tools that make the sound i.e the plugins.
 
Relying on shipped plugins with a daw - they lock you in to that daw.
 
Just the way I see it....

An EQ is still an EQ, barring any "vintage modeling". I like some third party plugs I have (FabFilter, Waves and some others) but if you know the basic controls you can get by with most DAWs. A delay will still have a feedback and a mix control, an EQ has Q, frequency and gain and a compressor has a threshold and a ratio.

mckool
Actually, I have found that I was incorrect in some of my assertions (As a few of you have tersely pointed out).

 
Try not to take it personally. We're all strangers here for the most part and sometimes tone and intent aren't communicated well. In the end, you got some useful feedback, even if it wasn't with the best bedside manner.  ;)
 

mckool
Even though he is back up and running, ProTools is still unstable (This is actually his fault for letting the Windows 10 Anniversary update install without first backing up his system) so the most cost effective thing for him to do is upgrade to a newer version.

 
There is a way to undo the update without a backup, but that is for another thread in another forum.
 

mckool
...we settle for using the 3rd party plugins. :)

I'm with you and @lfm on this.

mckool
Actually, I have found that I was incorrect in some of my assertions (As a few of you have tersely pointed out). Waves does let you download older versions but he had a license issue which prevented him from doing that so, Coolbass, you are correct BUT there was an issue that took tech support for Waves over an hour to address. Even though he is back up and running, ProTools is still unstable (This is actually his fault for letting the Windows 10 Anniversary update install without first backing up his system) so the most cost effective thing for him to do is upgrade to a newer version. Since he already owns Protools, upgrading is about 1/2 the cost of buying Cakewalk new.
 

kitekrazy1
I think everyone assumes 3rd party plugins are always superior to whats included in DAWs.

There is a reason for this assumption - It's often true. Both Cakewalk and ProTools have some really nice plugins included and we use those but there are some Waves plugins that just sound better and really enhance the mix or we would not have bought them. Maybe in the hands of someone more skilled than us, they can make it sound as good without them. In our hands, the extra plugins are needed. Believe me, we have tried without them and failed. Since we do not have those skilled hands available, we settle for using the 3rd party plugins. :)
 
Sorry for the misinformation folks. I try not to do that but I was upset and ranting. This has really impacted the deadline for my project and I reacted badly.
 
The fact of the matter is that both DAWs have worked well for us. It would be nice for both of us to be on the same DAW but it's just too much money for the one who changes and what we have works nicely (Until the up-grade debacle of course.)
 
Cheers

It 's nice to let us know how it all worked out.
Succes with the project.

lfm
The major reason for me to entirely rely on third party is - freedom to run any daw without relearning the tools that make the sound i.e the plugins.

That's an excellent and very relevant point.
 
I see two main two advantages to using bundled plugs, regardless of the DAW: They make collaboration with other users of the same DAW easier, and they're by definition tested with the DAW (as are updates). Of course, this doesn't prevent me from using 3rd-party plug-ins, but all things being equal, I'll go for the plugs that came with the DAW if possible.